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The user that created this page added a WP:NOTMENU link to the [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not]] policy page ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not&diff=808950965&oldid=808797023 diff], which I reverted) and created this redirect, but no rationale was provided in the edit summary for why this was performed, other than "valid". As such, this is entirely ambiguous, and could refer to the contents of any article that contains any mention of foods that companies or organizations purvey. Furthermore, such changes to policy pages should be performed after a consensus is formed to do so, rather than unilaterally. I have also posted a note regarding this matter at [[Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not#Revert|Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not § Revert]]. <span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;">[[User:Northamerica1000|North America]]<sup>[[User talk:Northamerica1000|<font size="-2">1000</font>]]</sup></span> 06:55, 6 November 2017 (UTC) |
The user that created this page added a WP:NOTMENU link to the [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not]] policy page ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not&diff=808950965&oldid=808797023 diff], which I reverted) and created this redirect, but no rationale was provided in the edit summary for why this was performed, other than "valid". As such, this is entirely ambiguous, and could refer to the contents of any article that contains any mention of foods that companies or organizations purvey. Furthermore, such changes to policy pages should be performed after a consensus is formed to do so, rather than unilaterally. I have also posted a note regarding this matter at [[Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not#Revert|Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not § Revert]]. <span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;">[[User:Northamerica1000|North America]]<sup>[[User talk:Northamerica1000|<font size="-2">1000</font>]]</sup></span> 06:55, 6 November 2017 (UTC) |
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*'''Speedy Keep''' as there is no provided policy basis on deleting a redirect, a redirect that anyone can start, see for example, [[WP:Not guide]]. The current WP:Not guidebook actually mentions a menu and food as part of its criteria: ''not the telephone number or street address of the "best" restaurants, nor the current price of a café au lait....not include every tourist attraction, restaurant, hotel or venue, etc.". That a restaurant, hotel or venue is an excellently valid redirect. This satisfies our principles of [[Help:Redirect#Purposes of a redirect]]. [[User:SwisterTwister|<font color="green">'''S'''wister'''T'''wister</font>]] [[User talk:SwisterTwister|<font color="green">talk</font>]] 07:03, 6 November 2017 (UTC) |
*'''Speedy Keep''' as there is no provided policy basis on deleting a redirect, a redirect that anyone can start, see for example, [[WP:Not guide]]. The current WP:Not guidebook actually mentions a menu and food as part of its criteria: ''not the telephone number or street address of the "best" restaurants, nor the current price of a café au lait....not include every tourist attraction, restaurant, hotel or venue, etc.". That a restaurant, hotel or venue is an excellently valid redirect. This satisfies our principles of [[Help:Redirect#Purposes of a redirect]]. [[User:SwisterTwister|<font color="green">'''S'''wister'''T'''wister</font>]] [[User talk:SwisterTwister|<font color="green">talk</font>]] 07:03, 6 November 2017 (UTC) |
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:*Which criterion of the [[WP:SKCRIT|speedy keep guideline]] are you basing this !vote off of? [[User:Stickee|Stickee]] <small>[[User talk:Stickee|(talk)]]</small> 11:54, 6 November 2017 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment''' – [[Wikipedia:Consensus]] is a policy. Consensus should be obtained ''before'' adding ambiguous entries to the WP:NOT policy page and creating redirects to the content that was added without consensus. <span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;">[[User:Northamerica1000|North America]]<sup>[[User talk:Northamerica1000|<font size="-2">1000</font>]]</sup></span> 07:21, 6 November 2017 (UTC) |
*'''Comment''' – [[Wikipedia:Consensus]] is a policy. Consensus should be obtained ''before'' adding ambiguous entries to the WP:NOT policy page and creating redirects to the content that was added without consensus. <span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;">[[User:Northamerica1000|North America]]<sup>[[User talk:Northamerica1000|<font size="-2">1000</font>]]</sup></span> 07:21, 6 November 2017 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' No mention of "not menu" at [[WP:NOT]]. Seems to be part of a mass editing by creator to remove mention of products from restaurant articles (such as [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cousins_Subs&diff=prev&oldid=808947599 this edit]), which seems to conflict with [[WP:PRODUCT]]: "{{tq|If a company is notable, information on its products and services should generally be included in the article on the company itself}}". More guidance is needed than to merely point to a policy page with no mention of menus.—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 07:49, 6 November 2017 (UTC) |
*'''Delete''' No mention of "not menu" at [[WP:NOT]]. Seems to be part of a mass editing by creator to remove mention of products from restaurant articles (such as [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cousins_Subs&diff=prev&oldid=808947599 this edit]), which seems to conflict with [[WP:PRODUCT]]: "{{tq|If a company is notable, information on its products and services should generally be included in the article on the company itself}}". More guidance is needed than to merely point to a policy page with no mention of menus.—[[User:Bagumba|Bagumba]] ([[User talk:Bagumba|talk]]) 07:49, 6 November 2017 (UTC) |
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This is a list of redirects that have been proposed for deletion or other action on November 6, 2017.
- Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not a manual, guidebook, textbook, or scientific journal (talk · links · history · stats) [ Closure: //delete ] →
The user that created this page added a WP:NOTMENU link to the Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not policy page (diff, which I reverted) and created this redirect, but no rationale was provided in the edit summary for why this was performed, other than "valid". As such, this is entirely ambiguous, and could refer to the contents of any article that contains any mention of foods that companies or organizations purvey. Furthermore, such changes to policy pages should be performed after a consensus is formed to do so, rather than unilaterally. I have also posted a note regarding this matter at Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not § Revert. North America1000 06:55, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
- Speedy Keep as there is no provided policy basis on deleting a redirect, a redirect that anyone can start, see for example, WP:Not guide. The current WP:Not guidebook actually mentions a menu and food as part of its criteria: not the telephone number or street address of the "best" restaurants, nor the current price of a café au lait....not include every tourist attraction, restaurant, hotel or venue, etc.". That a restaurant, hotel or venue is an excellently valid redirect. This satisfies our principles of Help:Redirect#Purposes of a redirect. SwisterTwister talk 07:03, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
- Which criterion of the speedy keep guideline are you basing this !vote off of? Stickee (talk) 11:54, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
- Comment – Wikipedia:Consensus is a policy. Consensus should be obtained before adding ambiguous entries to the WP:NOT policy page and creating redirects to the content that was added without consensus. North America1000 07:21, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
- Delete No mention of "not menu" at WP:NOT. Seems to be part of a mass editing by creator to remove mention of products from restaurant articles (such as this edit), which seems to conflict with WP:PRODUCT: "
If a company is notable, information on its products and services should generally be included in the article on the company itself
". More guidance is needed than to merely point to a policy page with no mention of menus.—Bagumba (talk) 07:49, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
- Note: Notice of this discussion has been placed at Wikipedia talk:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Food and drink.—Bagumba (talk) 08:07, 6 November 2017 (UTC)