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:Re האורים והתומים's question (on my talk page) why their edits are being reverted: they are obviously promotional in nature. They are trying to suppress one ranking where INSEAD isn't ranked very high, leaving other rankings in place, and adding the statement that INSEAD is "widely considered one of the world's best business schools" with sources that do not support this statement. [[User:Qwertyus|Q<small>VVERTYVS</small>]] <small>([[User talk:Qwertyus|hm?]])</small> 10:03, 10 June 2014 (UTC) |
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Clubs
The Clubs section is totally out of proportion to their prominence on campus. Every B-school has an Energy Club etc. We should remove the clubs and add more unique info about the 'National Weeks' and the Summer Ball which are special INSEAD traditions that have been maintained for decades. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.112.225.31 (talk) 22:11, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Zirtechie and Bakashi10
Both Zirtechie and Bakashi10 are spending a lot of time editing this. Can you two not form a consensus? Zirtechie, are you associated with INSEAD? Bakashi10, are you associated with some competitor of INSEAD's?
Bakashi10 has made some reasonable deletions e.g. removing 'eloquently' and adding citation request references for various statements of opinion. This is to be applauded. However, I disagree with Bakashi10's repeated deletion of the phrase "one of the world's leading business schools". This is reasonable given INSEAD's reputation and the fickle nature of business school rankings. Many top business school refuse to cooperate with rankings and rankings tend to change a lot from year to year. Many rankings such as the WSJ's and The Economist's are seen as very unreliable. I also disagree with Bakashi's deletion of various paragraphs which seem to be quite factual and include sources. I would rather see this information left in and these two having a good discussion as to why they should be taken out. I have looked at other top tier business school Wikipedia entries this morning, it seems to me that INSEAD is one of the less 'promotional'. My two cents, I hope you two can sort your differences out - Jaffafive 10:08, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Advertising
I removed some advertising from the Insead posting. It's a well known school but Wikipedia is not for advertising it is for information. Ranking is important to some students, so it is safe to say a school is well known or world known if it appears regularly in top 10 of Financial Times/Business Week. I don't think Alumni publication is important, it is possibly adverting but may have some information content above that.
There seem to be various anti-INSEAD competition's or competition-want-to-be's baseless accusations and marketing tactics that aim to resist, counter and eliminate objective facts about INSEAD "online", particularly on Wikipedia, including the commentator above------
Spam allegation
I pulled the following off the page, since there wasn't any source given for it. Can anyone provide an appropriate source for the following?
==INSEAD and internet Spam== INSEAD is responsible for hundreds of thousands of registration based medicinal spam each year.
Thanks! - Fordan (talk) 19:52, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Fair use rationale for Image:Inseadlogon2.jpg
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Peacock
This article is using peacock terms particularly in the introduction and more throughout the text. Consider the following:
INSEAD is considered one of the world's leading graduate business schools and is known for its influential worldwide alumni network.
Considered by whom? And known by whom? It would be much better to write a factual summary of INSEAD and let readers decide for themselves (c.f. Massachusetts Institute of Technology). Bakashi10 07:22, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
There seem to be various anti-INSEAD competition's or competition-want-to-be's baseless accusations and marketing tactics that aim to resist, counter and eliminate objective facts about INSEAD "online", particularly on Wikipedia, including the commentator above------
Why does an INSEAD stooge insist on the words 'worlds leading business schools'?
Can we please have an objective, factual article, rather than INSEAD marketing speak?
I suspect there is a stooge writing the article.
There seem to be various anti-INSEAD competition's or competition-want-to-be's baseless accusations and marketing tactics that aim to resist, counter and eliminate objective facts about INSEAD "online", particularly on Wikipedia, including the commentator above------
Suspect this article is being maintained as campus guide
I have various objections to this article and I would like to engage Zirtechie in forming a consensus. Revert wars are just stupid.
Zirtechie 19:47, 6 August 2007 (UTC) YOU ARE DELETING STUF LIKE CRAZY FROM THIS Zirtechie 19:49, 6 August 2007 (UTC) YOU MAKE OTHER CHANGES AND DELETIONS YOU DONT EXPLAIN HERE
- Is your caps-lock stuck? And can you please run spell check. My reasons are all documented below - I dont know what you are talking about. I'm deleting content that is promotional and unobjective. I dont see why that content should be here. INSEAD has its own website precisely for that purpose: to advertise and promote. Wikipedia is not INSEAD's soapbox. Zirtechie, are you associated with INSEAD? You will notice that descriptions of campus recruiters, weasel descriptions about ranking and quality, unsubstantiated references to rigors of admission, and references to differentiating factors (whatever they are!) are completely absent from quality university articles. I dont have an agenda besides the wikipedia polices. Do you assume I'm acting in good faith? I hope so. My whole point is that rather than using subjective and weak assertions, the article would be more encyclopedic by qualifying rankings and other facts.Bakashi10 16:41, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
My general objection to this article is that is written in a promotional tone without any objective facts. It should'nt be a surrogate INSEAD directory, campus guide, or alumni association advertisement. The specific problems I have with this article are:
Zirtechie insists the introduction
One of the world's leading business schools, INSEAD's main differentiation factor lies in its global perspective and multicultural diversity, which are reflected in aspects of its research and teaching. [2] [3]
Zirtechie 19:47, 6 August 2007 (UTC) THIS IS REASONABLE STATMENT NOT OPINION BECASUS SOURCE IS GIVEN
This statement is opinion and promotional. Simply writing 'world's leading business schools' avoids having to give any factual basis for this statement. What is a differentiation factor? Sounds like marketing speak to me. And how can you support an opinion that global perspective and diversity are manifest in the research and teaching? I think the point that the school has a diverse student and faculty is well made by later statements with data on student background and languages. Hence there is no need for this opinion. I suggest replacing with:
INSEAD's MBA program has been ranked amongst the top 10 international MBA programs by The Financial Times (7th) [2], BusinessWeek (6th) [3], and in 22nd place by The Economist's survey. [4]
Remove promotional statements. This is not campus guide, nor is it an advertisement. The following statements sound suspiciously like an enticement to potential students. While I think some of them can be rephrased, i.e. the alumni association, most should be removed.
Zirtechie 19:47, 6 August 2007 (UTC) YOUR OPINION, AGAIN THIS IS BACKED UP BY SOURCES OR IS REASONABLE, YOU JUST DELETE LIKE CRAXY< LIKE A VANDAL
Remove
The required core courses are combined with electives chosen by the participant in areas of his/her interests. A range of classes, seminars, retreats and/or simulations are offered to help participants to hone their leadership, presentation, communication, career management, inter and intra personal skills.
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MBA participants rank their professors following the completion of each course. Professors who score below a certain ranking regularly do not have their contracts renewed. Professor renumeration is based on both academic research and teaching ability.
Known by? This is promotion.
INSEAD is known to be one of the most selective business schools in the world. The Admissions Committee selects candidates from a pool of applicants on the basis of various qualities, including academic performance, career progress, interpersonal skills and leadership potential.
More blatant promotion
Main employers of 2005 class MBA participants and the number of graduates employed were McKinsey & Company (74), Boston Consulting Group (40), Bain & Company (30), Deutsche Bank (18), Booz Allen Hamilton (13), Roland Berger Strategy Consultants (12), Barclays Capital (11), Google (11), Credit Suisse (10). [9]
INSEAD has a reciprocal agreement with Harvard, Kellogg, and Stanford to share career services. Current students and alumni of the four schools have access to job opportunities database of each other.[10] INSEAD also participates in the MBA Global Career Forum, together with other leading business schools including Harvard, Stanford and Wharton.[11]
INSEAD alumni live in over 150 countries across all continents. Today there are 25 countries around the world in which over 100 INSEAD alumni live and work. Most INSEAD alumni are members of the INSEAD Alumni Association with its 40 national alumni associations, and return for their alumni reunions on campus[citation needed].
remove 'eloquently'
The history of INSEAD is chronicled eloquently in the book "INSEAD: From Intuition to Institution" by Jean-Louis Barsoux
Bakashi10 04:53, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
- WP:30 is not to be used as an impetus or replacement for discussion. Morgan Wick 20:16, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
- Third Party Opinion - Initiated
I won't make any allegations, but the article, in its own right, has many shortcomings. Then again, so do the vast majority of articles on Wikipedia. To settle this dispute, I suggest you compare this to the articles of a few other schools, such as Cornell or Yeshiva University. You can use those as a sort of template to better generate a comprehensive, thoroughly insightful article that does not appear to be a mere promotion for the school. Hope this helps. :) DRosenbach (Talk | Contribs) 22:30, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
There seem to be various anti-INSEAD competition's or competition-want-to-be's baseless accusations and marketing tactics that aim to resist, counter and eliminate objective facts about INSEAD "online", particularly on Wikipedia, including the commentator above------
Further third party opinion Aristrent22 21:43, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
I don't like either of these editors' approaches (Zirtekie and Bakashi10). See discussion page on LBS and Wikipedia guidelines generally.
People who are conflicted tend to select certain rankings. They include them in their own school's website. Have a look at Tanaka, Judge, IMD, Said and LBS entries. They contain lots of unsubstantiated statements. I have made amendments to this entry.
I encourage Zirteckie and Bakashi10 to talk to each other constructively. It looks like Zierteckie has accepted Bakashi10's removal of some statements. Zirteckie could put more effort in explaining his/her position. Bakashi10 just re-enters what he/she wants every time. This is not ideal.
"Notable" alumni section
Other Wikipedia articles about B-Schools do have a NOTABLE alumni section, but as of Jan-30-2009 Insead's has 112 "notable" alumni. Without diminishing anyone's success, most seem to be CEO and/or founder of very little known or inconsecuential businesses or somewhat senior personnel of somewhat bigger companies. I believe that the espirit of this section is to bring up alumni who have succeeded and are very well known. Not every single entrepeneur who created his own little company, or anyone who just happen to have had a promotion. I think this section needas to be dramatically reduced. Wikihonduras (talk) 19:15, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
- But removing all the alumni and only making in available in the INSEAD alumni category is overreacting. Other business shools maintains a short list of alumni for informative purpose (to get an idea without having to go on all the individual pages what are the type of some alumni - the ones in top position)--Nabeth (talk) 10:38, 20 March 2009 (UTC).
- Please read the tag and comment above. There is no mention of deleting the section. A list with over 120 (and growing) entries in the main article should be reduced, specially when there are no guidelines of who should make the list and who shouldn't be included. Just as also suggested below when a list of books/authors was introduced. Oher business schools and universities do have a very short list in the main article, when for example Presidents, Nobel Prize are part of the alumni. Then there is a separate section where other alumni are classified. That allows discussion of who should be in, be seaparare from the main Insead article. Wikihonduras (talk) 16:30, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
- Dear Wikihonduras, I apologize. I realised afterward that I replied to your post as if the removing of the all list of alumni was the result of your action. I indeed got confused. I personally agree that the list of alumni was too long, and should be reduced to something more reasonable. For the time being I will leave other people to select which INSEAD alumni should belong to this list (I would prefer myself to focus my attention to academic & knowledge related content). Note: I assume the previous list was inspired by the list from Harvard Business School, which appears to be very long. Best regards. --Nabeth (talk) 17:12, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
- Well, contrary to what I said, and following your advice (looking at what other people do), I have created a page List of INSEAD alumni. I believe it is the better way to advance. However, I would prefer from now on, not to be involved in the subject of alumni. On the other hand, my honest opinion (comparing to other similar pages), it would be unfair not to have a section about INSEAD alumni like other business schools. --Nabeth (talk) 18:46, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
- That list, like all such lists, should only include people who are notable in their own right, and already have articles about them in Wikipedia. Notability is not inherited: just because somebody is an executive of a notable firm, does not mean that they thus become themselves notable. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:11, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Books by INSEAD faculty section
This section is informative since it helps to understand the research conducted at INSEAD. --Nabeth (talk) 10:26, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
- This just seems like the reintroduction of material by some authors who don't on their own warrant bio-articles. What criteria are going to be used to justify what books are inserted into a "some" books criteria section? Unless you can define what "some" are, its just spam or cruft. Rgds, --Trident13 (talk) 10:39, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
- Dear trident. INSEAD is an academic institution, and therefore it is just useful to make reader to understand the kind of work and expertise that is conducted by faculties. The section is therefore not about the people themselves, but it agregate some of the work that is being done. Just saying that INSEAD is good at this or that would be subject to caution. Indicatoing some of the books that were authored by some people helps to get an impression of what is really being done. Best regards. Note that the number of faculty / books mentionned remained limited and to my opinion not excessive. Best regards.--Nabeth (talk) 10:54, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
- It's not about INSEAD, its about the criteria used for what books are included in that section and why? What criteria are "some" books going to be included or not, which was my original question? Can you also in your reply state your relationship to INSEAD, and whether you are one of the authors listed? Personally, I am an MBA graduate but not from INSEAD. Rgds, --Trident13 (talk) 11:26, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
- See answer in User talk:Nabeth --Nabeth (talk) 11:47, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
- Ok, User:Orangemike, who is an administrator has come and has done the cleaning and removed this section. I somewhat disagree with this (I believe we are loosing here useful information), but he can be see as a neutral third party, this is all right for me. --Nabeth (talk) 19:44, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
- That section was absurd; can you imagine the length of such a section for a Harvard, an Oxford, a University of Chicago? This entire article has been inflated by the inclusion of non-encyclopedic content like that, material that should be confined to the pages of a college catalog or the history of the school. Club descriptions and the like have no place here unless the clubs themselves are genuinely notable (think Skull and Bones). --Orange Mike | Talk 20:17, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
- As I indicated previously, the point was not to put a complete list of faculties and books, but just a small subset so that people could have a more concrete idea about the kind of stuff that was published. List of some faculties is something that exist on other schools if I am now wrong. Thanks for the reference Skull and Bones that is indeed interesting. Best regards --Nabeth (talk) 20:28, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
INSEAD - the name
I understood that the french name for INSEAD is deprecated, certainly it is not heard or used on campus except to highlight the fact that it is not used anymore - I would suggest moving it to the history section - perhaps in the first line where INSEAD is founded.
The view promoted on campus is that although this is indeed the original name from which the abbreviation is derived, it has effectively (if not formally) been dropped as INSEAD has become an international business school and brand. The view being that INSEAD is no longer a French business school although it has a campus in France. Indeed French is not the language of teaching (although used among administrative staff in France but cf. Mandarin in Singapore), it is possible to attend just the Singapore campus, and some courses are not offered in France, as I understand it. There is no particular bias toward French citizens or speakers, although there are (?)13% of them.
I will see if I can find a reference to this anywhere (e.g. the green book / INSEAD site).Finereach (talk) 17:05, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
- Thank you for the input. I tried to check also on the Internet (societe.com) about if this long name was something really official, but could not find anything. "Moving it to the history section" may indeed something to be done, because what matter here is the actual usage, and the long name may no longer be used except in administrative document in France. Feel free to proceed then with the change. --Nabeth (talk) 18:29, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Not encyclopedic
The article reads like a brochure, not an encyclopdia -- there are exactly two sentences about the history, the rest is puff. Recently anonymous editors have been doing the Gish gallop with references, all of which mention INSEAD somewhere, but are not particularly relelevant to specific claims. Is there really nothing else of interest to be said about this place -- how the name is pronounced, for a start? Imaginatorium (talk) 04:26, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
There seem to be various anti-INSEAD competition's or competition-want-to-be's baseless accusations and marketing tactics that aim to resist, counter and eliminate objective facts about INSEAD "online", particularly on Wikipedia, including the commentator above------
Malicious, unjustified removals or defamations against INSEAD
There are a few users who intentionally lower or defame the INSEAD reputation. I am only guessing that it is either INSEAD's competitors, INSEAD's competitors' students and faculty, or INSEAD haters for the lack of better words. This is a warning that no justified and malicious defamations in the form of removal of sources and such would be flagged and the users kicked off. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:6:5500:40F:19C2:2426:21FF:586C (talk) 08:31, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
- Re האורים והתומים's question (on my talk page) why their edits are being reverted: they are obviously promotional in nature. They are trying to suppress one ranking where INSEAD isn't ranked very high, leaving other rankings in place, and adding the statement that INSEAD is "widely considered one of the world's best business schools" with sources that do not support this statement. QVVERTYVS (hm?) 10:03, 10 June 2014 (UTC)