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The result was keep. ✗plicit 11:03, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
Endorsements by Donald Trump
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Topic is not notable per WP:NLIST as it has not been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources. ––FormalDude talk 06:55, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Withdrawing nomination. ––FormalDude talk 14:43, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople, Politicians, and Lists. ––FormalDude talk 06:55, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep well-sourced list of political endorsements by one of the most polarizing recent political figures. I would support expanding the article from a simple list to include the candidates' responses to Trump's endorsements and the effect it had (e.g. "X% of Trump-endorsed candidates won their elections) provided it is verifiable, but deletion is not the answer here. Frank Anchor 12:46, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- SPEEDY DELETE or redirect to Donald Trump. Wikipedia is not for endorsing anyone as per WP:NPOV. Regarding the comment by the above user, more than 60% of refs are from Trump's own Twitter handle (worth mentioning that Twitter suspended Trump's account permanently. Ref: Twitter source and TIME). About the rest of the refs, none supports the article subject instead of Trump's commentaries and PR. - Signed by NeverTry4Me Talk 14:20, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- NPOV does not apply here. This article is not endorsing any candidate or platform. Furthermore, the fact that 18 of the 81 references (22.2%, which is far from the 60% that User:NeverTry4Me falsely claimed) are from Twitter is not grounds for deletion particularly when a multitude of secondary sources are available for each case. As an example, Trump's 2018 endorsement of Mitt Romney (currently cited with a Trump twitter post) is also covered by CNN, ABC News, Time, Fox News, The New York Times, and many other authorities on U.S. news and politics. Frank Anchor 15:35, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
- None of the criteria for speedy deletion apply to this list. Glades12 (talk) 17:08, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep as much as I have strong opinions about Trump, this list could be useful and seems well-sourced. Oaktree b (talk) 01:42, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Neutral Category:Political endorsements exists but list what newspapers endorsed someone, and there are list of people who endorsed someone during a specific election. This is the only article where it just list everyone a single person endorsed. Should we have articles for every single person who ever endorsed a lot of people? Famous people, senators, or just former or current leaders of nations? Dream Focus 04:45, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- You say Should we have articles for every single person who ever endorsed a lot of people? I found it quite hypocritical that its good and ok for a page such as Social media use by Donald Trump and of Tax returns of Donald Trump (Do we have pages on every single person on their social media use or their tax returns? No but we have one for Trump becouse its notable) but somehow then it isn't the case for a page such as this. its just a fact that Trump is famous for his social media use, tax returns and also his Endorsements. La lopi (talk) 12:13, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Trump is still an influential figure in politics, and there are certainly enough sources for the article. Partofthemachine (talk) 04:50, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- If you could name a source that passes WP:NLIST that would be helpful. ––FormalDude talk 09:56, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- He is "de-platformed". So much influence. Some people have an incentive to overstate his influence, in service of their agenda. Also, source count is never the basis for the creation of an article. If they are good sources, that's great. There's a way to incorporate endorsements into Wikipedia WP: ENDORSE. It means the source goes on the page of the endorsee, not the endorser. This page exists as an exception to the rule, it seems, to satiate political agendas, agendas that have no place on Wikipedia. That's my opinion. CAPTAIN KOOKY (talk) 07:52, 21 July 2022 (UTC) — CAPTAIN KOOKY (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- If these sources are good for election pages such as 2022 Pennsylvania gubernatorial election then they are good for this page. or do you delate all these endoresment sources from all election pages.La lopi (talk) 12:16, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Trump is an inportant political figure and he will be a historical person, who is also famous for his political Endorsements. They have so many news articles and posts about Trump's endoresments. His endoresments are Big News in American politics. I say Keep. La lopi (talk) 08:05, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- If they were big news in American politics, why are most of these entries unreliably sourced, and why are there no sources that talk about Trump endorsements as a group/set? ––FormalDude talk 09:54, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Articles that describe Trump's endorsements as a group include these from The New York Times ([1], [2]), Five Thirty-Eight, PBS, Politico, Fox News, I could keep going on. I agree the page could be written better, but the page certainly passes NLIST and other notability guidelines. Frank Anchor 12:28, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- If they were big news in American politics, why are most of these entries unreliably sourced, and why are there no sources that talk about Trump endorsements as a group/set? ––FormalDude talk 09:54, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep I find it well-sourced Kazanstyle (talk) 09:48, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Delete I have never seen another page on this encyclopedia that lists endorsements by an individual (rather, the inverse is usually what we see...a list of endorsers for a particular candidate or initiative). Even if it's sourced well, the motives behind the creation of this page seem nefarious. It seems like the aim here is to make a "black book" of politicians who have been "cursed" by the "evil" hand of Sith Trump, because the allure of the Dark Side is just that great. Basically, what is the point of this page? If the answer is, "it could be useful", that's not sufficient. This is undue scrutiny of a now-civilian's endorsements, and I don't think it belongs here. Also, it's redundant, if we list an endorsement here, and an endorsement on the candidates' pages. That's undesirable. CAPTAIN KOOKY (talk) 07:36, 21 July 2022 (UTC) — CAPTAIN KOOKY (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Keep. This topic has indeed been
discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources
: Politico, NYT, The Hill, Axios, etc. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (she|they|xe) 05:34, 22 July 2022 (UTC) - Keep per Tamzin clearly well sourced.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:41, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
- Keep Also noting that the nomination has been withdrawn. Azuredivay (talk) 08:01, 24 July 2022 (UTC)
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