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- Thanks AFAICT, speaking British English isn't yet a reason to ban someone from Wikipedia. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:30, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Hasn't there been enough "dump on Mabbett" today? Stop it all of you before I post pictures of kittens all over the place! Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:40, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Apparently not. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:44, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Hasn't there been enough "dump on Mabbett" today? Stop it all of you before I post pictures of kittens all over the place! Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:40, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- I've said my piece. Please don't take offence: I don't agree with you on this matter but you do have my respect. I don't know if you'll feel the need to comment since it's pretty obvious we're not related. For one thing, I don't have your voluminous beard genes... BethNaught (talk) 19:14, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- No offence taken at all. Contrary to rabid accusations, I enjoy collaborating with many editors with whom I disagree on one thing or another. I do pity you the genes, though. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:16, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
This reminds me of another spurious SPI. Unfortunately, the reported editor's username was red-linked, so they got blocked indefinitely. Alakzi (talk) 19:48, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- I understand the meaning of the word "indefinitely". Are you me? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:52, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
Case closed. The apt idiom would be "Laughed out of court". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:05, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
- Quite right too. Nobody who knows Andy at all could possibly consider this remotely plausible. Guy (Help!) 23:18, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
- Welcome to the club <g>. Collect (talk) 23:51, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
FYI
As an admin, I do not close debates I started. It's bad form. Start, vote or close, but only one of the three. Think of it as a separation of duties issue. Offered as a friend in the hope of avoiding future drama. Guy (Help!) 23:26, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
- I prefer to follow Wikipedia policies. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:28, 22 August 2015 (UTC)
- No, that is begging the question. In almost all cases, reasonable people may disagree on interpretation of policy. I think you will do better, and with less drama, if you trust others to do the needful. There are good reasons why you would leave it to someone else to make the final call. Guy (Help!) 00:37, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
TfD metatalk
Hello. You nominated the template {{metatalk}} for deletion a little over a week ago. (Full disclosure: I created the template.) Since then concerns have been raised at the nomination entry. (I share the same concerns, so I haven't piled on.) I haven't seen any further communication from you. Can you please participate in the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2015 August 15#Template:Metatalk? —DragonHawk (talk|hist) 10:39, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
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Hi. Re: Wikipedia talk:Database reports/Long pages, it's pretty unusual to set up automatic archiving for a talk page that has such little traffic and discussion. The report itself has existed since 2008 and in that time there have only been four threads started on the talk page and the total talk page size is less than 5,000 bytes. Your edit looks like a solution in search of a problem. --MZMcBride (talk) 12:13, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
- It's an edit which will archive discussions that are four years old and no longer relevant. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:53, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
Shoreham Airshow Disaster
Sorry about reverting your revert of my revert at the airshow disaster article!! I think I've got it right now :) 141.6.11.25 (talk) 18:37, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
Arthur Moon: Contentious image deletion
Hi. You have previously edited Arthur Moon. Another editor has recently repeated deleted an image I believe to be central to the article. I would welcome your input. Tomintoul (talk) 07:15, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
- @Tomintoul: They've referred you to WP:NFCC. Have you read that? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:22, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
thanks!! &i have some Queries
Sir i want help on how to
- === Creatin a table===
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its very good
- === and "html on wiki" ===
--Aryan hindustan (talk) 09:48, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- The teahouse will help you - I've left details on your talk page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:50, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- Thanks Aryan hindustan (talk) 09:56, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
List of public art in Somerset
Hi Andy, I'm makin at start at List of public art in Somerset however can we get the coords to display as a clickable link in some way?— Rod talk 11:19, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- Yes; like this. (I thought it too complicated to include in a blog post aimed at new editors). Thanks for helping out! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:23, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- OK I can do template coord - but would a description/label be useful for mapping purposes?— Rod talk 11:48, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- No; that would conflict with the row template's microformat metadata. (Long story: another editor added the label functionality, against my advice, ignoring the reason why I had Coord created and the way it was designed to work inside other templates like this. It's probably too well used now to fix, sadly). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:52, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- But thinking about human users... If I click on the kml link the maps doesn't have any labels just 1,2,3 etc.— Rod talk 12:22, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- We could decouple the query string "title" parameter from the microformat, as I have done in the module sandbox; whereas
|name=
will both append the name to the query - which is used by kmlexport to label the map pins - and emit metadata,|title=
will add the name to the query only. This is - of course - all kinds of terrible, but it's the best I could manage - given the circumstances. We could also add a|mf=no
switch or somesuch, which might be slightly more intuitive. I've set up an example in my sandbox. Alakzi (talk) 12:52, 27 August 2015 (UTC)- We could make the change I asked for at the time (before the template was converted to Lua) but the issue was filibusterered by one editor. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:07, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- We could decouple the query string "title" parameter from the microformat, as I have done in the module sandbox; whereas
- But thinking about human users... If I click on the kml link the maps doesn't have any labels just 1,2,3 etc.— Rod talk 12:22, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- No; that would conflict with the row template's microformat metadata. (Long story: another editor added the label functionality, against my advice, ignoring the reason why I had Coord created and the way it was designed to work inside other templates like this. It's probably too well used now to fix, sadly). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:52, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- OK I can do template coord - but would a description/label be useful for mapping purposes?— Rod talk 11:48, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
I don't understand the techie argument above, but labels would be useful. I wanted to ask how public art is defined - are war memorials etc public art?— Rod talk 13:12, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- My view would be that that depends on there beings some sculptural element - a statue, or a relief, say - rather than just a list of names and some architectural dressing. I can see us having separate "list of memorials" pages, though. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:34, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- Is there a preferred order for display when first seen? If alphabetical is this by subject? If we have an article about the sculpture I'm using the article title as subject but sometimes when we don't the person eg Edward VII & what about a title like "silica" which isn't really about anything - as I add more to List of public art in Somerset it is getting messier... Is there a documentation page somewhere to get consistency?— Rod talk 13:48, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- Not yet ;-) You could ask at WT:WikiProject Public Art. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:08, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- Is there a preferred order for display when first seen? If alphabetical is this by subject? If we have an article about the sculpture I'm using the article title as subject but sometimes when we don't the person eg Edward VII & what about a title like "silica" which isn't really about anything - as I add more to List of public art in Somerset it is getting messier... Is there a documentation page somewhere to get consistency?— Rod talk 13:48, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
How do I add coordinates for the Somerset Space Walk which is 14 miles long?— Rod talk 14:48, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- Take the mid-point. Or omit them. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:57, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
I've just discovered (as part of doing this) the Public Monuments and Sculpture Association National Recording Project Database could we get them to export their database (which has 263 items in Somerset alone) in some format which we (you) can import)?— Rod talk 14:48, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
- They won't; and as it hasn't been maintained for some years, it's very out-of-date. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:57, 27 August 2015 (UTC)
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You can buy me a cider. Hellenp (talk) 12:49, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
Hello pigsonthewing, cupofpinktea here -thank you for the introduction to wiki. Cupofpinktea (talk) 12:49, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
Template:Infobox nhsc
You marked {{Infobox nhsc}} as pending substitution at WP:TFD/H, but when I went to substitute the template, I got odd results, including many parser functions remaining. Would you mind taking a look? ~ RobTalk 16:30, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
- Try using the sandbox. Also, the reason the remaining transclusions haven't been substituted is that the target infobox hasn't got a miscallaneous designations field, nor are these designations listed in {{Designation}}. Alakzi (talk) 16:31, 3 September 2015 (UTC)
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Not okay. The request had been responded to and after 36 hours was procedurally archived. Do not override an admin's decision to decline. Sounds like this situation is fit for wider discussion at WP:AN, WP:ANI or the like, WP:PERM isn't meant for that. Finally, just FYT, the bot was not "bad" - it was doing exactly as instructed. — MusikAnimal talk 14:26, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
- I've already reverted you (before reading the above). I suggest you read the discussion, including the comments you removed, and that by the admin to whom you refer, who clearly invites that discussion. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:30, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
- I'm pretty sure they meant use a different venue, and either way that's exactly what I'm saying. We don't really do this at PERM. I think you'll get more out of the discussion somewhere else — MusikAnimal talk 14:38, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
TE request
Could you please tag Template:Discreet abbreviation for deletion (Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2015 July 28#Template:Discreet abbreviation). Alakzi (talk) 13:12, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- Done. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:20, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- It's now been orphaned; the changes haven't propagated to WhatLinksHere. Alakzi (talk) 14:19, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- Speedied. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:27, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- Friends, would you believe that scoring is a key fact in a Bach composition? We have an editor who thinks it's bloat, - possibly I don't understand the meaning of that term? Can you explain what I obviously can't get across? I hate to see an article presented on the Main page in substandard shape. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:30, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- It appears to be the usual pseudo-philosophical disagreement over whether infoboxes should contain anything that's remotely nuanced or subtle. Alakzi (talk) 14:38, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- I disagree, I think it's nothing nuanced but most basic to say what instruments are involved, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:51, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- These are very pointed edits by someone who has previously edited disruptively to remove infoboxes en mass; leading to her having to resign her admin bit "under a cloud" in July 2014. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:01, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- I tried very hard not to mention that, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:11, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- It appears to be the usual pseudo-philosophical disagreement over whether infoboxes should contain anything that's remotely nuanced or subtle. Alakzi (talk) 14:38, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- Friends, would you believe that scoring is a key fact in a Bach composition? We have an editor who thinks it's bloat, - possibly I don't understand the meaning of that term? Can you explain what I obviously can't get across? I hate to see an article presented on the Main page in substandard shape. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:30, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- Speedied. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:27, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
- It's now been orphaned; the changes haven't propagated to WhatLinksHere. Alakzi (talk) 14:19, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Where is this dispute? I'd be interested in the justification for wanting to exclude something as basic as scoring from an article on a work by any composer of the renaissance or later, especially Bach. Guy (Help!) 13:38, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
- Talk:Geist und Seele wird verwirret, BWV 35#Parameters of infobox. Alakzi (talk) 13:40, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
Could you please remove {{pbneutral}} from Template:Editnotices/Page/September 11 attacks? Alakzi (talk) 17:44, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
- Done. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:18, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
- And if you've got the patience to explain to them why reverting me is pointless: [9]. Alakzi (talk) 18:27, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
- Only just seen this; sorry. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:29, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
- And if you've got the patience to explain to them why reverting me is pointless: [9]. Alakzi (talk) 18:27, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
Could you please replace
{{Tfm/dated|page=Archive box collapsible|otherpage=Collapsible archive box|link=Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2015 August 15#Template:Archive box collapsible|type=sidebar|help=off}}
with
{{Tfd/dated|page=Archive box collapsible|link=Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2015 August 28#Template:Archive box collapsible|type=sidebar|help=off}}
in {{Archive box collapsible}}? Alakzi (talk) 15:16, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
- Already done, apparently. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:29, 28 August 2015 (UTC)
If could you please remove the merge notice from {{American English editnotice}}. Alakzi (talk) 17:14, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
- @Alakzi: done. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:19, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
Your article in RSC news journal
Hello Andy! I saw your article in the latest RSC journal. It's very nice! I really liked it. Great job! Frostdawn (talk) 20:25, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
- Kind words; thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:28, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
Apologies for my edit conflict with yours on Philip Mould the reference I found states he was a director rather than trustee...no idea which is correct though? Theroadislong (talk) 22:59, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
Personal attacks
As well as the comments that Swarm has noted above I find this edit summary utterly unacceptable and easily deserving of a block for personal attacks. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:57, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
- Really? Did you read what I was responding to? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:59, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
1RR
You have broken the 1RR on {{Palestinian Arab villages depopulated during the 1948 Palestinian exodus}}. Please self-revert, or you will probably be reported, Huldra (talk) 23:04, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
- That's not an article; and you have broken the WMF policy on discrimination against people with a disability, and our accessibility policy. You also ignored objections to your edit previously made on the template's talk page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:08, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
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"Quit invoking the anti-discrimination policy"
Priceless. I may print that and have it framed. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:10, 5 September 2015 (UTC)- Not funny at all. Your invocation of that policy is completely unjustified and tantamount to an outright accusation of discrimination. Absolutely nothing supports the notion that they're motivated by any sort of ableism, and if it did, surely you would have reported them for willfully breaching the anti-discrimination policy you love so much to invoke. Swarm ♠ 09:21, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
- One does not need to be motivated by ableism; they only need to be sufficiently ignorant. Like you, for instance. Alakzi (talk) 09:28, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
- Of course it's not funny; I wasn't making a joke. Perhaps you might like to now attend to the truly egregious issues, like comments including "which -very unfortunately- made Pigsonthewing aware of this template", "not knowing a thing about the Israel/Palestine conflict" (emphasis in original) and the utterly fallacious "This is a highly political change"? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:04, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
- Not funny at all. Your invocation of that policy is completely unjustified and tantamount to an outright accusation of discrimination. Absolutely nothing supports the notion that they're motivated by any sort of ableism, and if it did, surely you would have reported them for willfully breaching the anti-discrimination policy you love so much to invoke. Swarm ♠ 09:21, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
- I also note that the ruling refers to
"edits relating to the topic"
[that being "the Arab–Israeli conflict"], which arguably does not include technical matters such as fixing inaccessible colours or other repairs. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:12, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
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Category:Wikipedia protected templates and Category:Wikipedia protected modules have now been split, and I've already made several requests for reduction in protection level. Alakzi (talk) 21:39, 6 September 2015 (UTC)
- Good work. Thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:07, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
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Template:Faculty
Template:Faculty shouldn't be a redirect to Template:Alum. Template:Faculty is important and used in faculty-related lists. I've reverted your edit[23]. Zenqueue (talk) 02:17, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
- As a consequence of your this[24] edit, List of University of Edinburgh medical people#Faculty (who were not also graduates of the medical school) had a problem. Department was blank. After I reverted your edit, the problem has been solved. Zenqueue (talk) 02:30, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
User:Maddiethepolarbear
You put {{db-notwebhost}} on a lot of User:Maddiethepolarbear's user-space pages. It's debateable whether these all meet this criteria, and rather than hash it out at WP:MfD I ignored the 12-month time limit and replaced the contents of these pages with {{inactive userpage blanked}} and left her a note at User talk:Maddiethepolarbear#The pages listed above were blanked, not deleted.
If you still want to nominate them for deletion, go ahead, but I would recommend waiting until we know she isn't coming back before doing so. Give it a year since her last edit. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 23:35, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
- Per WP:BLPPRIVACY and WP:CHILD, deleting those pages would've been the wise thing to do; and not bring more attention to them by posting both here and on her talk page. Alakzi (talk) 23:48, 9 September 2015 (UTC)
I'm am active, I just am in school as stated on my profile.Maddiethepolarbear (talk) 07:19, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
- Sixty-nine edits, the only one of which that is not in your userspace being the one on this page. WP:NOTWEBHOST applies. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:53, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
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