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"Opinions on race and gender".--Bbb23 (talk) 13:57, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"Intelligence work"
How come a bunch of conspiracy theories about Crowley such as him being a spy living a lie for his whole life and being responsible for the sinking of Lusitania is treated as legimite research here? Martianmister (talk) 22:13, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Martianmister: What makes you think they are a "bunch of conspiracy theories"? Do you have a source for that? Looks like what's in the article is supported by multiple biographies. Skyerise (talk) 19:55, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why would I need a source? There is no source on those biographies' claims, other than their own conjectures. If Crowley was really a spy it would be revealed by the official files years ago, like all those cold war era anti-communist survelliance and phone tapping reports. There is no reason for the British Intelligence to hide the work of someone dead for decades. Martianmister (talk) 20:21, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The biographies are perfectly good sources and we do not cast doubt on sources without a source that explicitly expresses that doubt. If you want to contest what a source says, you need a source that does so, not just your own opinion. I've reverted your edits and will do so again if you make such changes without a source to support you. Also the use of words like "alleged" and "claim" are not neutral. We don't write like that, see WP:CLAIM. You can say, "according to source", but you can't cast doubt without citing a source that casts that doubt explicitly. Skyerise (talk) 11:21, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Crowley's intelligence work is literally a claim, with no proof. WP:CLAIM doesn't apply here. Martianmister (talk) 21:48, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A cited source is all the proof Wikipedia requires. WP:CLAIM always applies. Please also see our Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle. If your edit is disputed, the article stays at the status quo until you can show consensus for the change on the talk page. So keep talking and wait for other editors to respond. Don't edit war. If you're right, you'll find a consensus. Skyerise (talk) 22:08, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Skyerise here, he just beat me to the revert! Come up with some good sources, see WP:RS for guidance on that, and we can have a discussion here. DuncanHill (talk) 22:16, 20 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]