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:::In [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poles_in_Lithuania&type=revision&diff=1103725341&oldid=1103713202 an edit on August 10], Marcelus removed the final form of the compromise sentence, which was {{tq|The situation of the Polish minority in Lithuania, with many of them having Lithuanian ancestry, has caused occasional tensions in [[Polish-Lithuanian relations]] during the late 20th and early 21st centuries }} <small>(didn't include the numerous sources for brevity and clarity)</small> The sentence was clearly relevant to the section "'''In independent Lithuania'''". |
:::In [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poles_in_Lithuania&type=revision&diff=1103725341&oldid=1103713202 an edit on August 10], Marcelus removed the final form of the compromise sentence, which was {{tq|The situation of the Polish minority in Lithuania, with many of them having Lithuanian ancestry, has caused occasional tensions in [[Polish-Lithuanian relations]] during the late 20th and early 21st centuries }} <small>(didn't include the numerous sources for brevity and clarity)</small> The sentence was clearly relevant to the section "'''In independent Lithuania'''". |
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::: Intensely disliking the statements of a certain professor does not mean that the professor is what you deem him to be and you should refrain from such language considering [[MOS:LABEL]]: {{tq|[[Loaded language|Value-laden]] labels ''(... various examples ...)'' may express contentious opinion and are best avoided unless widely used by reliable sources to describe the subject, in which case use [[Wikipedia:Citing sources#In-text%20attribution|in-text attribution]].}}. [[User:Cukrakalnis|Cukrakalnis]] ([[User talk:Cukrakalnis|talk]]) 19:56, 11 August 2022 (UTC) |
::: Intensely disliking the statements of a certain professor does not mean that the professor is what you deem him to be and you should refrain from such language considering [[MOS:LABEL]]: {{tq|[[Loaded language|Value-laden]] labels ''(... various examples ...)'' may express contentious opinion and are best avoided unless widely used by reliable sources to describe the subject, in which case use [[Wikipedia:Citing sources#In-text%20attribution|in-text attribution]].}}. [[User:Cukrakalnis|Cukrakalnis]] ([[User talk:Cukrakalnis|talk]]) 19:56, 11 August 2022 (UTC) |
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:::: There was no compromise it was only proposed by GizzyCatBella, not something we agreed upon. Nonetheless this part is irrelevant for the chapter mentioned, as you can see the text is better without it. Zinkevičius is a chauvinistic pig and I won't pretend he isn't [[User:Marcelus|Marcelus]] ([[User talk:Marcelus|talk]]) 20:16, 11 August 2022 (UTC) |
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thank you
thank you for helping to remove the cherry-picked/unsourced phrases on the Polish villages. I searched and it still exists in a lot of places. Jeff McRedmond (talk) 13:53, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
Marcelus' unceasing problematic behaviour
Examples of this are:
- On August 10, Marcelus removed the compromise solution you had created on April 5 to solve a dispute that was happening between Marcelus and I in March/April.
- On August 4, Marcelus moved Antanas Chodakauskas to Antoni Chodakowski without discussion, despite such moves having caused controversy prior and thus necessarily needing to have discussions. Furthermore, there is no English-language source on either Google Books or Google Scholar where "Antoni Chodakowski" is used for the person, whereas the Lithuanian Antanas Chodakauskas is more prevalent, as I demonstrate on the article's talk page. In addition, Marcelus systematically replaced Lithuanian names with Polish ones - including renaming Antanas Smetona to Antoni Smetona and adding Polish-Lithuanian instead of Lithuanian nobleman, the latter without any sources.
I am writing this on your talk page, because you were involved in assuring that compromise on Poles in Lithuania, and because just like you, I want a definitive end to this, but Marcelus' behaviour precludes a peaceful resolution or any agreement, because he keeps breaking Wikipedia's rules and going against compromises he previously de facto accepted. Cukrakalnis (talk) 16:41, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
- I’ll look at those - GizzyCatBella🍁 18:45, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
- Antoni Smetona was a mistake, I just replaced all metnions of "Antanas" with "Antoni", didn't notice there was Smetona also :) I didn't removie any compromise colution from Poles in Lithuania, I just still working on the article, and removed redundant, repetitive passages. Such was the mention in the chapter on independent Lithuania, that most Lithuanian Poles are of Lithuanian origin (so "in reality" "confused Lithuanians"), it was redundant and completely incompatible with this chapter. Besides, moreover it is a repetition of the nationalist anti-Polish theories of Lithuanian chauvinists such as Zinkevičius.Marcelus (talk) 19:08, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
- The compromise solution were these words:
some are of Lithuanian descent
([1]). - In an edit on August 10, Marcelus removed the final form of the compromise sentence, which was
The situation of the Polish minority in Lithuania, with many of them having Lithuanian ancestry, has caused occasional tensions in Polish-Lithuanian relations during the late 20th and early 21st centuries
(didn't include the numerous sources for brevity and clarity) The sentence was clearly relevant to the section "In independent Lithuania". - Intensely disliking the statements of a certain professor does not mean that the professor is what you deem him to be and you should refrain from such language considering MOS:LABEL:
Value-laden labels (... various examples ...) may express contentious opinion and are best avoided unless widely used by reliable sources to describe the subject, in which case use in-text attribution.
. Cukrakalnis (talk) 19:56, 11 August 2022 (UTC)- There was no compromise it was only proposed by GizzyCatBella, not something we agreed upon. Nonetheless this part is irrelevant for the chapter mentioned, as you can see the text is better without it. Zinkevičius is a chauvinistic pig and I won't pretend he isn't Marcelus (talk) 20:16, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
- The compromise solution were these words:
- Antoni Smetona was a mistake, I just replaced all metnions of "Antanas" with "Antoni", didn't notice there was Smetona also :) I didn't removie any compromise colution from Poles in Lithuania, I just still working on the article, and removed redundant, repetitive passages. Such was the mention in the chapter on independent Lithuania, that most Lithuanian Poles are of Lithuanian origin (so "in reality" "confused Lithuanians"), it was redundant and completely incompatible with this chapter. Besides, moreover it is a repetition of the nationalist anti-Polish theories of Lithuanian chauvinists such as Zinkevičius.Marcelus (talk) 19:08, 11 August 2022 (UTC)