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This page is to nominate fresh articles to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page with a "hook" (an interesting note). Nominations that have been approved are moved to a staging area and then promoted into the Queue. To update this page, it.
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February 16 | 1 | |
February 28 | 1 | |
March 2 | 1 | |
March 6 | 1 | |
March 11 | 1 | |
March 12 | 2 | |
March 14 | 1 | |
March 19 | 1 | |
March 21 | 1 | |
March 24 | 1 | |
March 25 | 3 | |
March 26 | 1 | |
March 27 | 1 | 1 |
March 28 | 4 | 3 |
March 29 | 2 | 2 |
March 30 | 3 | 1 |
March 31 | 3 | 2 |
April 1 | 5 | 4 |
April 2 | 12 | 10 |
April 3 | 8 | 6 |
April 4 | 10 | 5 |
April 5 | 10 | 7 |
April 6 | 7 | 6 |
April 7 | 10 | 7 |
April 8 | 7 | 5 |
April 9 | 6 | 4 |
April 10 | 5 | 3 |
April 11 | 2 | 2 |
April 12 | 2 | 1 |
April 13 | 16 | 9 |
April 14 | 7 | 2 |
April 15 | 10 | 6 |
April 16 | 7 | 4 |
April 17 | 6 | 1 |
April 18 | 3 | |
Total | 161 | 91 |
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- Don't; it should not ever be necessary, and will break some links which will later need to be repaired. Even if you change the title of the article, you don't need to move the nomination page.
Nominations
Older nominations
Articles created/expanded on February 16
Biodiversity Impact Credit
... that species extinctions can be stopped by buying Biodiversity Impact Credits?- ... that species extinction risk can be reduced by buying Biodiversity Impact Credits? Source: In Biodiversity Impact Credit: Biodiversity Impact Credit (BIC) is a transferable biodiversity credit designed to reduce global species extinction risk.
- Reviewed:
- Comment: Am a novice, please advise if I got this wrong.
Created by Pinkchiken (talk). Self-nominated at 11:03, 15 February 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Biodiversity Impact Credit; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- Comment. @Pinkchiken: Your hook oversimplifies and overpromises. "Designed to reduce risk" is not the same as "all you have to do is buy these Biodiversity Impact Credit to stop species extinction" which is what the hook you originally proposed suggests. Cielquiparle (talk) 08:53, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
- Response. @Cielquiparle: Good point. I'd like to change the hook to "... that species extinction risk can be reduced by buying Biodiversity Impact Credits?" This version does not over-promise. You can buy the credits only if there is a corresponding project which has generated a reduction in mean species extinction risk. When you buy the credit, you cover the cost of the project (or part of), so you contribute to making it happen. If this logic was not correct we'd not be allowed to say that a donation to Oxfam reduces poverty in the world. Please could you help me revise the proposal such that it does not return to the back of the queue? Pinkchiken 17 March 2024 (UTC)
- My suggestion would be along the lines of:
- ALT1: ... that Biodiversity Impact Credits seek to stop species extinctions?
- @Pinkchiken: I have suggested a better "safer" ALT hook above. Thus I am no longer eligible to review this, but perhaps we can find another reviewer now. Cielquiparle (talk) 06:29, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Cielquiparle: Thank you. What I meant to ask was how to technically revise the proposal. But I think I got it: I just edited the text in this page. Let's see what another reviewer thinks. I'm trying to avoid watering the hook down so much that it might become unattractive to readers.
Needs a full review. Cielquiparle (talk) 06:29, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
- Article was nominated within a week of being moved to mainspace from AfC, so is new enough. I'm not even going to check the length, it is way more than long enough. The article is properly in-line cited and the copyvio detector finds no issues. The hook topic is kind of the entire topic of the article, so there's multiple sentences I could say are cited in-line for it. So I'm going to count that one as good. Honestly, Cielquiparle, I prefer Pinkchiken's hook. I find it to still be an accurate description and it's a more interesting, quippy way to phrase things. Other than that, they're a new nominator, so no QPQ is required. Looks good to go! SilverserenC 16:27, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Silver seren: Sure, ALT0 may be a quippier hook, but it's possible during a 24-hour run on the main page that another reader like myself will ask where the evidence is that they do in fact reduce species extinction risk...especially if the source cited is so WP:WEASEL in wording. In which case at least you have a backup hook now rather than have to pull the hook entirely. Cielquiparle (talk) 19:26, 24 March 2024 (UTC)
- Needs more work. Referencing isn't up to scratch as discussed at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Biodiversity Impact Credit. I would also suggest that the content of the lead be distributed throughout the article, and a new lead be written that summarises the article. This would make the article comply with WP:LEAD. I'd fail this nomination if this aspect wasn't tidied up. Schwede66 23:41, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Pinkchiken Did you see the comment by Schwede66?4meter4 (talk) 18:01, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- @4meter4 Yes, thank you for the alert, keenly aware! Will have time to look at this over the weekend 19:06, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Schwede66 @4meter4 @Cielquiparle Thank you for the critical comments. I added references as suggested and made sure that the lead addresses the main points and all topics mentioned in the lead are taken up further below as per WP:LEAD. I added references in the lead mindful of this. Did I miss anything? Pinkchiken 7 April 2024 19:09 (UTC)
- @Pinkchiken Did you see the comment by Schwede66?4meter4 (talk) 18:01, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. @Schwede66 Does this address your concern? If we don't hear back from you soon we will have to open this up to a new reviewer.4meter4 (talk) 18:20, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry, it doesn't have to be me who checks this again. I'm currently busy with queue admin checks (which is how I came across this nomination, if I remember correctly). Anyone can review this now. Schwede66 19:08, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Where is your reference is the four formulae?--Launchballer 15:37, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: Good point. I added references to the work where BICs are originally defined and analysed for the formulae. One for the definition and one for "...a variety of methods is available to estimate BICs." Since the text explains how the remaining three formulae are obtain/derived, and looking at how this is handled, e.g., in this page, I believe it's not necessary to provide a reference for each equation. -- Pinkchiken 15:59, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, I'm convinced. (I think this comes under WP:CALC.) There's a few things still in the lede I can't see in the main body, such as 'taxa', and the lede says "developed" by QMUL and the body says "backed" and I'm not sure if these are the same thing.--Launchballer 16:19, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hi @Launchballer:, I admire how thorough you all are look at the articles. `Taxa' is the plural of taxon, which means the same as 'taxonomic group' (please follow the link to taxon). The second paragraphs of "Definition" then starts "For a given taxonomic or functional group...", so this is taken up. But this might be a bit obscure. I have therefore added '(taxonomic groups)' after 'taxa'. To 'develop' a metric includes two things: to have a rationale for defining it and to study its properties. In the present case, both has been done based on theoretical analyses. So, 'developed' is a brief general term which includes 'back by theoretical analyses' as a specific case. Therefore, I think the link between lede and body is there. However, if you feel you can make it clearer, please give it a go. Pinkchiken 19:04, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, I'm convinced. (I think this comes under WP:CALC.) There's a few things still in the lede I can't see in the main body, such as 'taxa', and the lede says "developed" by QMUL and the body says "backed" and I'm not sure if these are the same thing.--Launchballer 16:19, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: Good point. I added references to the work where BICs are originally defined and analysed for the formulae. One for the definition and one for "...a variety of methods is available to estimate BICs." Since the text explains how the remaining three formulae are obtain/derived, and looking at how this is handled, e.g., in this page, I believe it's not necessary to provide a reference for each equation. -- Pinkchiken 15:59, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Where is your reference is the four formulae?--Launchballer 15:37, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on February 28
Kirby: King of Comics
- ... that Kirby: King of Comics contains original artwork made by Jack Kirby (pictured) which Mark Evanier obtained while working for him? Source: [1], [2]
- ALT1: ... that Mark Evanier was a good friend of Jack Kirby (pictured) which gave him access to lots of original art to include in his biography? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2008/may/03/featuresreviews.guardianreview12
- ALT2: ... that while writing Kirby: King of Comics, once Mark Evanier hit a word count of 250,000 he considered the book "nowhere near finished"? Source: https://www.theguardian.com/books/2008/may/03/featuresreviews.guardianreview12
- Reviewed:
- Comment: QPQ not needed fifth nom
5x expanded by OlifanofmrTennant (talk). Self-nominated at 20:54, 1 March 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Kirby: King of Comics; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- Expanded 5x, from 319 to 1614 characters; long enough. Well-sourced, neutral, no plagiarism. I like the first hook; its source is reliable. Great image; I agree that's a better one than the book cover. Well done taking a stub to a short-ish and salvageable article. Good to go. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Figureskatingfan (talk • contribs) 21:12, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
I have pulled this nom from prep, as it fails to include a summary of the book's contents and thus fails WP:DYKCOMPLETE. It also contains at least two errors, one which says Evanier "obtained" artworks from Kirby "while working for him" - he only obtained access, and not apparently while working for him, and another which says the book was met with "positive" reviews when in fact it was panned by The Guardian critic. The article clearly needs more work before it can be featured, if it should be featured at all given the apparent errors. Gatoclass (talk) 09:50, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Gatoclass I've begun working on a summary of the books contents, its been a while sinces I've read the book so I'll have to look over it again Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 05:22, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Pinging nominator OlifanofmrTennant, reviewer Figureskatingfan, and promoter PrimalMustelid. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:15, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on March 2
One Chun
... that One Chun, a Michelin Guide Bib Gourmand restaurant, has black-and-white televisions, transistor radios, and antique clocks on its walls?Source: Srivilai, Kasidit (2021-11-05). "Behind The Bib: Retro Decor Meets Phuket Flavours At One Chun. Retro decor harkens authentic Phuket tastes, plus great locally sourced ingredients". Michelin Guide. Archived from the original on 2024-03-02. Retrieved 2024-03-02.The article notes: "Chessadawan said while showing us a beautiful wall adorned with old clocks, transistor radios, and black-and-white television sets."
Created by Cunard (talk). Self-nominated at 10:11, 2 March 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/One Chun; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Overall: A finely put together article improving the coverage of food, Southeast Asia, and women. The article was new enough at the time of nomination, and it's long enough. There's a source at the end of every paragraph or quote (at the end of most sentences), and the hook is cited at its sentence. Earwig's detector comes back 20%, which from my reading is attributable to the quotations. The hook is interesting, since a Fifties aesthetic and Michelin fine-dining don't usually go together in one's mind. QPQ is done as well. There are only two minor problems—@Cunard: first, the text of the Time Out Shanghai article on its own doesn't actually make that Bai Liang Phad Khai includes eggs—it only makes clear the leaves and shrimp (the images don't load from where I'm reading, so if the information was in the images, that may be why I'm having trouble verifying that bit). Second, I think the summarization of the Frommer's source to say that both Raya and One Chun serve roast duck and crab curry is slightly off. Frommer's states, Raya’s sister restaurant, One Chun, also serves the famous crab curry along with a host of cheaper Thai classics, like roasted duck in red curry
. The wording of "along with a host of cheaper Thai classics" I think means that while roasted duck is one of the "cheaper Thai classics" that One Chun also serves, alongside the crab curry that both Raya and One Chun serves (meaning Frommer's verifies that One Chun serves roast duck, but not that Raya serves roast duck; it does verify that both serve crab curry). If these minor problems are fixed, I will happily approve the nomination. Feel free to ping me when it's ready. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 05:12, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the detailed review and for catching these issues, Hydrangeans (talk · contribs)! I've implemented the suggestions. Cunard (talk) 05:27, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- Excellent! With these matters resolved, I am happy to approve the nomination. Thanks for your contribution to Wikipedia! Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 05:34, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Hydrangeans:
A finely put together article improving the coverage of food, Southeast Asia, and women
Have to disagree with you there, it reads like a press release to me. In fact when I came across it as part of NPP I had to check it wasn't written by a COI editor. Regards John B123 (talk) 19:39, 1 April 2024 (UTC)- I agree and have tagged it as such. It's quite funny how the "Reception" section contains less reception (all positive, of course) than has beem inserted indiscriminately throughout the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:35, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- I revised the article to shorten and have fewer quotes as recommended by Wikipedia:Neutral point of view#Impartial tone, which says, "Try not to quote directly from participants engaged in a heated dispute; instead, summarize and present the arguments in an impartial, formal tone." I hope this addresses editors' concerns. As the Wikipedia's article author, I do not have a conflict of interest with the restaurant. Wikipedia:Neutral point of view#Due and undue weight says, "Neutrality requires that mainspace articles and pages fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in those sources". I have complied with this policy by fairly representing reliable sources' viewpoint about the restaurant. Regarding "all positive, of course", I conducted an exhaustive search for reliable sources about the restaurant. I did not find negative coverage of the restaurant in reliable sources. Adding negative information about the restaurant to the article when it is unsupported by reliable sources would violate the neutral point of view and verifiability policies. Cunard (talk) 19:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- The minor edits you have made do nothing to make the article less like an advert or press release. IMHO the article needs a complete rewrite. The first major issue is the in-depth coverage of the menu. A good part of the lead and the largest section of the article is devoted to the menu. If you look at similar restaurant articles, the menu only takes up a paragraph at the most. Secondly, it needs to be written more objectively with less 'bigging up'. For example, Thai starlets in the source becomes Thai celebrities in the article. John B123 (talk) 23:14, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Two concerns have been raised: (1) the menu section is too long and (2) the article is not written neutrally. I find the premise of (1) to be inaccurate. I welcome feedback about (2).
If you look at similar restaurant articles, the menu only takes up a paragraph at the most.
– I do not know what the "similar" qualifier in "similar restaurant articles" means. There are featured articles and good articles about restaurants with "Menu" or "Cuisine" sections that are three or more paragraphs long. The only featured article about a restaurant is Sci-Fi Dine-In Theater Restaurant, which has a three-paragraph "Food" section. There are numerous good articles about restaurants. There are good articles with a five-paragraph "Cuisine" section, a four-paragraph "Cuisine" section, a four-paragraph "Menu" section, a three-paragraph "Menu" section, and a three-paragraph "Cuisine" section.Alongside a restaurant's history and decor, its menu and cuisine is a very important part of its background. One Chun's "Dishes" section is three paragraphs, while its "History" and "Decor" sections are much smaller. That is because reliable sources spend considerable space discussing and critiquing the restaurant's dishes, much more than they discuss other aspects of the restaurant like its history and decor. As such, a three-paragraph summary of what the sources said about the menu—and three sentences in the lead—complies with the due weight policy.
Secondly, it needs to be written more objectively with less 'bigging up'. For example, Thai starlets in the source becomes Thai celebrities in the article.
– when revising the article based on comments in this DYK nomination, I paraphrased the "Thai starlets" quote to be "Thai celebrities". As "celebrities" is "bigging up" compared to "starlets", I've modified the sentence to use "Thai starlets" again.The sources are universally positive about the restaurants' dishes and decor. I believe the article complies with Wikipedia:Neutral point of view in fairly representing the sources' viewpoints. I do not believe "the article needs a complete rewrite". I sometimes overlook things like the "Thai celebrities" issue you pointed out, so I welcome specific feedback about how to make it "written more objectively with less 'bigging up'".
- The articles you link to are generally larger articles, so the menu/cuisine sections form a proportionally smaller part of the article.
Reliable sources spend considerable space discussing and critiquing the restaurant's dishes
, most of the references in the Dishes section are short mentions in 'Where to eat in Phuket' type articles or directory entries such as Lonely Planet. WP:NOTPRICE seems to be applicable here: An article should not include product pricing or availability information (which can vary widely with time and location) unless there is an independent source and encyclopedic significance for the mention, which may be indicated by mainstream media sources or books (not just product reviews) providing commentary on these details instead of just passing mention. John B123 (talk) 08:19, 3 April 2024 (UTC)- For the featured and good articles I linked, there is plenty of coverage about the restaurants' history, decor, and menu, so the menu sections must "form a proportionally smaller part of [those] article[s]". For this article, there is less coverage about the restaurant's history and decor but more coverage about the menu, so the menu must form a proportionally larger part of the article. The decision of how much to cover should be done on a case-by-case basis reliant on how much reliable sources cover each area. The length of this Wikipedia article's menu section does not make it violate Wikipedia:Neutral point of view.
WP:NOTPRICE says:
The information in the "Dishes" section is not a "A resource for conducting business". It is not a listing of "products and services". It is not "product pricing or availability information".A resource for conducting business. Neither articles nor their associated talk pages are for conducting the business of the topic of the article. Listings to be avoided include, but are not limited to: business alliances, clients, competitors, employees (except CEOs, supervisory directors and similar top functionaries), equipment, estates, offices, store locations, contact information, patent filings, products and services, sponsors, subdivisions and tourist attractions. An article should not include product pricing or availability information (which can vary widely with time and location) unless there is an independent source and encyclopedic significance for the mention, which may be indicated by mainstream media sources or books (not just product reviews) providing commentary on these details instead of just passing mention. Wikipedia is not a price comparison service to compare prices and availability of competing products or a single product from different vendors. Lists of creative works are permitted. Thus, for example, Wikipedia should not include a list of all books published by HarperCollins, but may include a bibliography of books written by HarperCollins author Veronica Roth.
It is information from "independent source[s]" with "encyclopedic significance for the mention". It is information from "mainstream media sources or books (not just product reviews) providing commentary on these details instead of just passing mention". The "Where to eat in Phuket" type articles and the Lonely Planet book are not "just passing mention[s]". They provide a few sentences to a paragraph about the subject that includes "commentary on these details".
This is why I provided in-text attribution of reviewers' commentary contextualising and critiquing the dishes.
If the first paragraph of the "Dishes" section was written like this, it would violate WP:NOTPRICE for being a listing without any "commentary on details":
But the first paragraph of the "Dishes" section includes "commentary on details" through contextualisation and critiquing so does not violate WP:NOTPRICE:"One's Chun's dishes include crab curry made with coconut milk, Nam Prik Goong Siab, Mu Hong, and roasted red pork."
The "Cuisine" section of the good article Gage and Tollner discusses in substantial detail that restaurant's cuisine and menu throughout the years, while its reception section includes critics' commentary about the cuisine and service. For the "Dishes" section of One Chun's Wikipedia article, I chose to have the menu section include critics' commentary. This is up to editorial discretion. Both approaches are policy-compliant editorial decisions.Lonely Planet's Isabella Noble praised the restaurant for its seafood, citing its crab curry made with coconut milk. One Chun serves Nam Prik Goong Siab, a spicy entrée made with shrimp paste and containing dried shrimp that has been deep fried, giving it a "savoury crunchiness". The dish includes vegetables to alleviate the peppery taste, which Kasidit Srivilai of the Michelin Guide said "balanc[es] the mixture's saltiness and sourness". Two meat dishes are Mu Hong, a pork belly stew made with low-temperature cooking and flavored with the spices pepper and garlic, and roasted red pork.
Cunard (talk) 09:43, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- I note we have gone from
reliable sources spend considerable space discussing and critiquing the restaurant's dishes
toprovide a few sentences to a paragraph about the subject that includes "commentary on these details"
, which is still overgenerous in a lot of cases. In my view the Dishes section is availability information so WP:NOTPRICE is applicable. No matter how you try and fit WP policies and guidelines to what has been written, the article still comes as a promotion for the restaurant. John B123 (talk) 10:41, 3 April 2024 (UTC)- There is no conflict between my two statements. The "Where to eat in Phuket" type articles and the Lonely Planet book provide a few sentences to a paragraph about the restaurant's dishes. Collectively, the reliable sources spend considerable space discussing and critiquing the restaurant's dishes. I explained why WP:NOTPRICE is not violated: "availability information" does not violate the policy when there is "there is an independent source and encyclopedic significance for the mention". I linked to a featured article and multiple good articles about restaurants that discuss their menu in a similar way to this article, showing this is standard practice for restaurant articles.
Although I consider the WP:NOTPRICE concern to be unsupported by policy or practice, I remain open to feedback about specific parts of the article that can be "written more objectively with less 'bigging up'". Cunard (talk) 11:25, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Adding 'collectively' before 'the reliable sources spend considerable space discussing and critiquing the restaurant's dishes' makes a huge difference to the meaning of your original statement. You explanation of why you think WP:NOTPRICE is not applicable is fundamentally flawed. Firstly, phrases like another crab dish the restaurant serves is crab spring rolls require a huge stretch of the imagination to be thought of as of encyclopedic significance. Secondly, many of the sources used just give the restaurant a passing mention.
- There is no conflict between my two statements. The "Where to eat in Phuket" type articles and the Lonely Planet book provide a few sentences to a paragraph about the restaurant's dishes. Collectively, the reliable sources spend considerable space discussing and critiquing the restaurant's dishes. I explained why WP:NOTPRICE is not violated: "availability information" does not violate the policy when there is "there is an independent source and encyclopedic significance for the mention". I linked to a featured article and multiple good articles about restaurants that discuss their menu in a similar way to this article, showing this is standard practice for restaurant articles.
- I note we have gone from
- For the featured and good articles I linked, there is plenty of coverage about the restaurants' history, decor, and menu, so the menu sections must "form a proportionally smaller part of [those] article[s]". For this article, there is less coverage about the restaurant's history and decor but more coverage about the menu, so the menu must form a proportionally larger part of the article. The decision of how much to cover should be done on a case-by-case basis reliant on how much reliable sources cover each area. The length of this Wikipedia article's menu section does not make it violate Wikipedia:Neutral point of view.
- Two concerns have been raised: (1) the menu section is too long and (2) the article is not written neutrally. I find the premise of (1) to be inaccurate. I welcome feedback about (2).
- The minor edits you have made do nothing to make the article less like an advert or press release. IMHO the article needs a complete rewrite. The first major issue is the in-depth coverage of the menu. A good part of the lead and the largest section of the article is devoted to the menu. If you look at similar restaurant articles, the menu only takes up a paragraph at the most. Secondly, it needs to be written more objectively with less 'bigging up'. For example, Thai starlets in the source becomes Thai celebrities in the article. John B123 (talk) 23:14, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- I revised the article to shorten and have fewer quotes as recommended by Wikipedia:Neutral point of view#Impartial tone, which says, "Try not to quote directly from participants engaged in a heated dispute; instead, summarize and present the arguments in an impartial, formal tone." I hope this addresses editors' concerns. As the Wikipedia's article author, I do not have a conflict of interest with the restaurant. Wikipedia:Neutral point of view#Due and undue weight says, "Neutrality requires that mainspace articles and pages fairly represent all significant viewpoints that have been published by reliable sources, in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in those sources". I have complied with this policy by fairly representing reliable sources' viewpoint about the restaurant. Regarding "all positive, of course", I conducted an exhaustive search for reliable sources about the restaurant. I did not find negative coverage of the restaurant in reliable sources. Adding negative information about the restaurant to the article when it is unsupported by reliable sources would violate the neutral point of view and verifiability policies. Cunard (talk) 19:49, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- I agree and have tagged it as such. It's quite funny how the "Reception" section contains less reception (all positive, of course) than has beem inserted indiscriminately throughout the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:35, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'd draw your attention to the SNG for restaurants WP:RESTAURANTREVIEWS. This establishes the types of reviews that are 'significant' and can be included towards notability. Most of the reviews used in the article fail the test to be 'significant'. The SNG goes on to cover independent reviews and states Often, sponsored nature of a review is not disclosed and not immediately apparent. In particular, a strong indication of a sponsored or other relationship is a review that is excessively positive or negative Later it is stated Once notability is established, non-independent reviews may be used to verify some non-controversial facts in the article (e.g. number of employees, number of tables in a restaurant, product models) This suggests to me that reviews needs to be demonstrably independent or just used to verify non-controversial facts. What somebody thinks is a good dish is subjective and therefore potentially controversial. John B123 (talk) 21:04, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- It has the same effect with regard to proportionality of coverage within the article. Regarding WP:NOTPRICE, I've removed the sentence about crab rolls. I consider the sources in the article to be independent reliable sources. Which sources do you consider to be possibly sponsored or "non-independent reviews" that are being used to describe "What somebody thinks is a good dish"? Cunard (talk) 22:03, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Looking at the sources, and in the same order as the refs section:
- Manager Daily - looks like a paid piece, no author given
- Michelin Guide - Sound source
- SMH - Brief mention extracted from Michelin Guide
- Thansettakij - Churnalism based on the Michelin Guide
- Thaiger - Obvious churnalism, the author, Ye Man Pyae, seems to specialise in 'best of' articles ranging from eateries to nursery schools to best best places to teach English in Thailand (teach not learn)
- BK - Short listing, nothing there that's not on One Chun's Facebook which it links to
- Lonely Planet Thailand - Single sentence listing
- Lonely Planet Phuket - 3 sentence listing
- Michelin Guide - Sound source
- Manager Daily - Probably churnalism, no author given
- SMH - single sentence mention
- Nation - 2 sentence listing
- Michelin Guide - Sound source
- Manager Daily - Passing mention (half a sentence)
- Michelin Guide - Sound source
- Lifestyle Asia - Looks independent, information here that doesn't seem to be elsewhere. Probably too short to count towards notability, but still a reliable source IMHO.
- Timeout - Looks independent, but again probably too short to count towards notability
- CNN - Passing mention
- Manager Daily - Passing mention
- Frommers - Passing mention in (paid?) article about sister restaurant Raya
- Manager Daily - 7 sentences in a long article promting the Nissan X-Trail. As this an obvious promotional article, I doubt it would be considered a reliable source.
- Australian - Passing mention
- Khaosod - Passing mention
- Having your specific concerns enumerated is very helpful. Thank you for taking the time to review all the sources. Some of the sources were listed as short or being churnalism for reporting on the Michelin Guide Bib Gourmand designation. I do not consider either of those attributes as causing those sources to be unreliable so will not go into detail on those sources. The reliability of three sources—Manager Daily, Frommer's, and The Thaiger—was questioned, so I will discuss them below.
Manager Daily is a national business newspaper with a circulation of 300,000 in 2016. From my observations and a review of its articles, Manager Daily generally does not use bylines. A lack of bylines is standard for Thai journalism. According to this Routledge book, "Front-page political news stories in Thai language newspapers never carried a by-line; indeed, by-lines were rare for news stories anywhere in the Thai press, other than some weekly magazines. In part this reflected Thai traditions of journalism, but it also derived from the fact that these stories really did not have a single author."
I consider Manager Daily to be a reputable newspaper. From this working paper by Ramkhamhaeng University faculty member Suchart Sriyaranya:
These articles are positive restaurant reviews written by Manager Daily's travel and food team. I do not think Manager Daily would publish sponsored articles without disclosure.Some newspapers pay a high monthly salary or even pay more for one article than their competitors. Many well-known academics write as columnists in Manager Daily on this basis. Manager Daily rose to become the most successful newspaper during an era of economic boom in Thailand. It was started as a weekly business magazine and later developed to be a daily newspaper. Its editorial direction is different from that of Matichon Daily. While Matichon represents mostly progressive readers, Manager Daily has targeted a rising group of younger urban professionals or Yuppies who work in business sectors. As it can offer the good-quality daily articles written by many famous intellectuals, as well as provide the news contents in focussing in the business sectors, Manager has succeeded in combining its globalized image with the contributions of academics and information demands of bussiness groups.
Frommer's is a reputable travel guide publisher. The Frommer's review rated One Chun's sister restaurant two out of three stars. I think a paid article would give three out of three stars, not two.
The Thaiger is a source with a less established history and the concerns about the author, a junior journalist, are valid. I've removed the content based on The Thaiger from the article.
Cunard (talk) 06:37, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Are you sure that the website mgronline.com is the same as Manager Daily? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:58, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Manager Daily's website is mgronline.com. This article (citation details) from the Chulalongkorn University Journal of Social Sciences says:
This article from S&P Global says:"'Somsak' Poet Sun Phak Ko Mo Mo Khorat Chuenmuen-Prachachon Nakrop Mue Top Ruam Nueangnaen." ['Somsak' Opens the Party’s Branch. Committee Happy–A Lot of Hand-Clapping People Joined the Event]. 2009. Manager Daily Online, August 10. Accessed February 21, 2016. https://mgronline.com/local/detail/9520000090638. (in Thai)
Cunard (talk) 21:22, 6 April 2024 (UTC)The Bank of Thailand and the Thai Ministry of Finance allowed U.S.-based PayPal Inc. to continue providing services for Thai customers until the end of 2022, Manager Daily reported.
- The problem with sources here is well illustrated by Belinda Jackson's article in the Sydney Morning Herald, Things to do in Phuket, Thailand: One day three ways, in which she states: Lunch is a chance to rub shoulders with Thai starlets at One Chun restaurant: order the rich, creamy crab and coconut curry. Does this mean she has visited One Chun and ate the curry with Thai starlets, or does this mean she has read somewhere about this? Given the number of articles she writes, I doubt the Herald's budget stretches to jetting her around the world almost continually to write these articles. If she hasn't visited One Chun, where did she get the information from? We have no idea whether these sources were reliable or not, nor do we know when the source(s) she used were published. The article was written in 2015, 9 years ago, although the information may have come from before then. As 'in' places change over time, we have no way of knowing if what was correct 9+ years ago is still correct today, the Thai starlets may well now frequent a different establishments. Restaurants change their menus, so rich, creamy crab and coconut curry may no longer be available. (When I lived in the UK, our local Jamie Oliver restaurant changed it's menu several times a year.)
- Manager Daily's website is mgronline.com. This article (citation details) from the Chulalongkorn University Journal of Social Sciences says:
- Are you sure that the website mgronline.com is the same as Manager Daily? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 20:58, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Having your specific concerns enumerated is very helpful. Thank you for taking the time to review all the sources. Some of the sources were listed as short or being churnalism for reporting on the Michelin Guide Bib Gourmand designation. I do not consider either of those attributes as causing those sources to be unreliable so will not go into detail on those sources. The reliability of three sources—Manager Daily, Frommer's, and The Thaiger—was questioned, so I will discuss them below.
- Politics and the Press in Thailand: Media Machinations that you referred to above goes on to give criticism of the Thai practice of using multiple authors to produce articles, leading to poor articles. Although the criticism was specifically about political articles in Thai Rath, the shortcomings raised would seem to be equally valid for other article types and publications, including Manager Daily, using this type of reporting.
- John B123 (talk) 07:32, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Belinda Jackson is a travel writer for The Sydney Morning Herald, Australia's newspaper of record. From Belinda Jackson's website, "I have travelled every continent and lived on three". She has written numerous pieces about Thailand for The Sydney Morning Herald (1, 2, 3, and 4). It is clear from her article that One Chun is one of the places she visited during her time in Phuket. The feedback about the information being nine years old is noted. I've updated the article to add the date this statement was made.
Regarding Politics and the Press in Thailand: Media Machinations, the book says:
The second point from Konthong's memo: "Political news had to be tightly written, and reporters had to be news-hounds (suakhao, literally news-tigers) rather than simply sending in what they taperecorded." The third point: "it was a shame reporters felt they did not know what the main issue was, and sent in long stories accordingly". The fourth point: "reporters might well ask why it was that rewriters did not do the job of shortening their material". The fifth point: "reporters needed to read the newspapers before starting work, so that they would be familiar with the development of particular issues".Political rewriters were not always satisfied with the quality of news material sent in to them by reporters. In an internal memo sent to all members of the political team on 24 April 1995, Weerajak Konthong (better known as the columnist 'Chalam Khiao', or Green Shark) set out his criticisms of reporters' material. The memo contained five points. Weerajak first observed that since parliament was opening, politics was becoming more complex, and there were lots of different issues every day. People who wanted to get into the news were speaking at great length, but the problem Thai Rath faced was that the newspaper did not have much space for political news.
I do not think that any of these points detract from the reliability of the Manager Daily reviews. The reviews show a good understanding of the restaurant and are not "simply sending in what they taperecorded".
- Belinda Jackson is a travel writer for The Sydney Morning Herald, Australia's newspaper of record. From Belinda Jackson's website, "I have travelled every continent and lived on three". She has written numerous pieces about Thailand for The Sydney Morning Herald (1, 2, 3, and 4). It is clear from her article that One Chun is one of the places she visited during her time in Phuket. The feedback about the information being nine years old is noted. I've updated the article to add the date this statement was made.
I think a new review is necessary for an uninvolved opinion. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:31, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- I too worry about the amount of content that could date. Dishes go on and off menus all the time. If any of them should be mentioned, they should be attributed. There are a few other sentences that stand out; "All the dishes are beautifully cooked using herbs and freshest seafood" is something I'd expect to see on a press release, "When it is the right season" tells me the square root of jack.--Launchballer 09:40, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- The "All the dishes are beautifully cooked using herbs and freshest seafood" sentence was quoted from the Michelin Guide. I've removed it. Thank you for the feedback. I've implemented your feedback. Cunard (talk) 10:05, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Apologies, I kept rewording my sentence. I think "CNN travel writer Kate Springer listed One Chun among Phuket Town's "top restaurants".[5]" should also come out as well. Arguably the rest of the History section should be merged with the 'Decor and ambience' section and put in chronological order, but that's not really a DYK issue. Once you've done that, you can take the tag off and I'll approve this.--Launchballer 20:27, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- The "All the dishes are beautifully cooked using herbs and freshest seafood" sentence was quoted from the Michelin Guide. I've removed it. Thank you for the feedback. I've implemented your feedback. Cunard (talk) 10:05, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- I too worry about the amount of content that could date. Dishes go on and off menus all the time. If any of them should be mentioned, they should be attributed. There are a few other sentences that stand out; "All the dishes are beautifully cooked using herbs and freshest seafood" is something I'd expect to see on a press release, "When it is the right season" tells me the square root of jack.--Launchballer 09:40, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
Let's roll.--Launchballer 09:20, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Noting here that I don't plan on promoting this as it will likely get pulled up at WT:DYK or ERRORS. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:22, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- I just checked the source. It says "wall", not "walls", and "old clocks" rather than "antique clocks". I propose the following:
- ALT1: that upon awarding One Chun a Bib Gourmand, the Michelin Guide complimented a "wall adorned with old clocks, transistor radios and black-and-white television sets"?--Launchballer 12:04, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: thank you for pointing this out. I've modified the article. The Michelin Guide article calls the decorations "beautiful", so the hook's wording of "complimented" is accurate. I like this hook, but I'm worried that editors would consider that hook too positive and promotional owing to the concerns raised in this discussion. Here is an alternative hook:
ALT2: ... that One Chun, a Michelin Guide Bib Gourmand restaurant, has black-and-white televisions, transistor radios, and aged clocks on a wall?
- @Launchballer: thank you for pointing this out. I've modified the article. The Michelin Guide article calls the decorations "beautiful", so the hook's wording of "complimented" is accurate. I like this hook, but I'm worried that editors would consider that hook too positive and promotional owing to the concerns raised in this discussion. Here is an alternative hook:
- ALT1: that upon awarding One Chun a Bib Gourmand, the Michelin Guide complimented a "wall adorned with old clocks, transistor radios and black-and-white television sets"?--Launchballer 12:04, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- I just checked the source. It says "wall", not "walls", and "old clocks" rather than "antique clocks". I propose the following:
- I only just saw this because I don't tend to check the Approved list with any regularity. I'm not comfortable with 'has', as it could change, and I'm not really convinced 'aged' means the same as 'old'. ALT3: ... that One Chun, when awarded a Michelin Guide Bib Gourmand, had black-and-white televisions, transistor radios, and old clocks on a wall?--Launchballer 13:12, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Let's get a new reviewer in here to look at the ALT hooks, since one was proposed by the previous reviewer (I've struck the previously approved original hook due to the issues raised, which leaves ALT1 and ALT2). Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 01:34, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on March 6
Electoral history of the Labour Party (UK)
- ... that the UK Labour Party received their highest share of the vote to date in a general election in 1951, but still lost to the Conservatives who received fewer votes? Source: Source url=https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/CBP-7529/CBP-7529.pdf#page=8 From the PDF: "The highest share of the vote received by Labour in a general election was 48.8% in 1951, when the Conservatives won the most seats despite polling fewer votes"
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Improved to Good Article status by Michaeldble (talk). Self-nominated at 17:21, 6 March 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Electoral history of the Labour Party (UK); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Overall: No previous DYK noms. Passed GA recently. Copyvio check passes. Quick question though about the hook, "earned fewer votes" doesn't feel like the typical language used. I would have expected the phrase "received fewer votes". Not a dealbreaker in anyway, it just catches me off guard and wanted to flag it. Might be worthwhile sticking an alt here with it and allow the promoter to pick their preferred. Seddon talk 10:07, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Michaeldble: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 19:29, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Z1720: @Seddon: Yes, that sounds more natural to me as well, I've just changed it now. Michaeldble (talk) 20:44, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
- Seddon, are you going to continue this review, or should I call for a new reviewer? Z1720, are you interested if Seddon isn't? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 17:40, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on March 11
Darwin Rocksitters Club
- ... that the Darwin Rocksitters Club had "no funny business" as their first, third, and fifth rule? Source: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-11/rock-sitting-in-darwin-turns-40/10354878
ALT1: ... that the Darwin Rocksitters Club sat on rocks a metre underwater in crocodile-infested waters? Source: https://rocksitters.com/- ALT2: ... that the Darwin Rocksitters Club set a twelve-day rocksitting world record in 1980? Source: https://catalogue.nla.gov.au/catalog/3550861
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Created by 8UB3RG1N3 (talk). Self-nominated at 00:03, 12 March 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Darwin Rocksitters Club; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
- The article was created on time; however, the article creator was Aliceinthealice and not 8UB3RG1N3, so Aliceinthealice needs a credit as well. No QPQ required as the nominator only has three nominations. The article could probably use some minor copyediting: there are a few grammatical errors here and there, and the sentence "What made this unique was that the rocks they sat on would be a metre underwater at high tide in the crocodile infested waters." might need to be revised as it sound a bit like editorializing. My preferred hooks are the original hook and ALT1 with a slight preference for ALT1 although I will not oppose ALT0 being promoted instead. The issue is that ALT1's source, or at least the link given, doesn't mention the crocodile-infested waters thing. The link will thus need to be changed to the actual page on the website that mentions it. The source is primary, but given the noncontroversial nature it should be acceptable in this case. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:28, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
Hi, I have made some changes to this page to address the concerns above; I hope they address these concerns sufficiently Aliceinthealice (talk) 23:24, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Aliceinthealice: Thank you. However, the edits made to the article do not address the concerns about the crocodiles because, while they mention the waters being infested with crocodiles, the sources do not make an explicit link to rocksitting. Thus, the claim and its sourcing could be classified as synthesis and thus unsuitable. If the sourcing issues with ALT1 can't be fixed, we may have just to stick with ALT0. In any case, there are still some minor grammatical errors in the article; perhaps an editor like Launchballer can give this a quick copyedit to help this move forward. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:08, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
Thank you (talk I have removed the sentence and I would apprecaite if another editor could do the copy editing, Cheers :) Aliceinthealice (talk) 01:58, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- I've given this a very quick copyedit, may come back for another pass.--Launchballer 08:17, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on March 12
Kaneiolouma Complex
- ... that the ancient Hawaiian village known as the Kāneiolouma Complex had 23 kiʻi denoting the sacred nature of the space? Source: https://www.hawaiimagazine.com/in-poipu-kauai-a-historic-hawaiian-village-is-coming-back-to-life/
- ALT1: ... that the ancient Hawaiian village known as the Kāneiolouma Complex is across the street from a popular beach on island of Kauaʻi? Source: https://www.hawaiimagazine.com/in-poipu-kauai-a-historic-hawaiian-village-is-coming-back-to-life/
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Created by Adflatuss (talk). Self-nominated at 21:41, 11 March 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Kaneiolouma Complex; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.
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Overall: All good to go to me! QPQ not needed since it's the first DYK nomination for the user. cyclopiaspeak! 11:40, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
I've reopened this. See Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Kāneiolouma Complex (nom). Schwede66 21:22, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- New reviewer needed to check for close paraphrasing/plagiarism concerns. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 10:56, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
Forever Young (horse)
- ... that Forever Young (pictured), who won the Saudi Derby, is owned by Susumu Fujita, who is known for a horse racing mobile game called Uma Musume Pretty Derby? Source: https://www.nikkansports.com/keiba/news/202402250000020.html
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- Comment: Thank you everyone for revising the article. If Forever Young wins the UAE Derby on March 30, 2024, it may be good to change the hook from Saudi Derby to UAE Derby.
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- Comments: Well done for creating such an article. However, to make this article more presentable as I mentioned in the Talk area of the article that the Japanese references in the article need to be replaced with English. Both JBIS and Netkeiba have English and can readily be used as references.
- The statistics needs to conform to what is used in the English wikipedia space. There are columns with abbreviations which as specific in Japanese form reader but for the US/English make no sense. Also the odds are not displayed as payout coefficients. Margins are in lengths or part of horse's posture (head, neck, nose etc...) Brudder Andrusha (talk) 21:49, 12 March 2024 (UTC)
- First of all, thank you very much for revising the article. The quality of the article cannot be decent without your help. Second, may I know whether there are any rules stating that English references are better than those which are not in English? For articles about Japanese stuff, isn't that Japanese references are more accurate and relevant?
- Third, for your comment about the abbreviations in the statistics section, could you provide some good articles for my reference? You may guess that I am not that familiar with horse racing from my contributions (but obviously someone with limited knowledge cannot write this article). NinetyNineDragon (talk) 15:39, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- This is a comment and not a review, but even as someone who's watched Uma Musume, I'm not a fan of the hook. It's more about Fujita or even the game itself than the horse, and the guidelines say that hooks that are only tangentially about the bolded article should be avoided. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:00, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- I believe the hook is definitely not tangentially about the article. The information in the hook is completely mentioned in the headline of the source (the Nikkan Sports article) I put above. I guess not everyone here knows Japanese so let me put a rough translations of the headline here: "[Saudi Derby] Uma Musume's Fujita Susumu Got First Overseas Graded Race Victory, Owns Forever Young '[I] won'". If you google Japanese news articles about Forever Young, you will find it is not rare for them to mention Uma Musume at the same time.
- If you think it is not generally interesting enough, is this better to you:
- ALT1: ... that someone wants Forever Young (pictured), the winner of the Saudi Derby, to be turned into a horse girl because he is owned by the CEO of CyberAgent? Source: https://www.inside-games.jp/article/2023/12/13/150914.html
- NinetyNineDragon (talk) 15:39, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
- I mean, even the source you provided (or at least the quote) focuses on the owner and not the horse itself. Having said that, ALT1 might be better and address my concerns, but the wording isn't the greatest given how vague the word "someone" is in this context. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:55, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
- Full review needed, including hooks. Thank you. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:55, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- I shall review this. Storye book (talk) 10:13, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Thank you for this positive article about a racehorse. The picture is nice, too. Just two issues:
- Earwig picks up only one phrase: the track record for the distance by about two seconds. Please rephrase it, to avoid copyright violation..
- Hooks: ALT0 is fine. We are talking about a racehorse here, which is not a person or a pet. In this context it is a sports icon and the property of an investor (Some of us may not like that, but that's not the point. The point is the facts). So we must compare it to articles about racing cars, racing bikes etc. where riders, owners and winnings get all the attention. In ALT1, the word "someone" is a bit weird, even a bit creepy. Maybe name them - or at least their trade or position?
- Re article content: notability for this subject seems to be about the winning record, which is a good one in this case. and the winnings are tabled in full in the article. So no problem of content there.
- I have given the article a minor copyedit, which does not affect DYK.
If you can resolve the above two issues, then this nomination should be good to go. Storye book (talk) 11:16, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Note: @NinetyNineDragon: As of this edit on 16 April 2024, the article has had a number of new edits, but the above issues have not been addressed. Please resolve this? Thank you. Storye book (talk) 11:12, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on March 14
Descendants of Christian IX of Denmark
- ... that King Christian IX and Queen Louise of Denmark were the parents of a Danish king, a British queen, a Greek king, and a Russian empress? Source: [1]
- ALT1: ... that Queen Louise of Denmark was instrumental in advantageously marrying her children with King Christian IX into various European royal families? Source: [1]
- ALT2: ... that King Christian IX and Queen Louise of Denmark would welcome their children and grandchildren across six different European royal houses in the summer? Source: [2]
- ALT3: ... that the popularity of King Christian IX of Denmark recovered in his country after his children married into multiple European royal families? Source: [3]
- Reviewed:
- Comment: This is a list, so I am unsure if this DYK is eligible. That being said, here is my "elevator pitch":
The executed Nicholas II of Russia. The queen that never set foot in her country, Alexandra of Yugoslavia. Accomplished Olympian Constantine II of Greece. The last king of the Congo, Baudouin of Belgium. An heir forging his 21st-century path, William, Prince of Wales. What do all of these people have in common (besides being royals)? They can claim descent from the Father-in-law of Europe, Christian IX of Denmark!
If this DYK is approved, readers will be enticed to learn about how the royal families of Europe are biological relatives to a closer extent than some may think! Created by AndrewPeterT (talk). Self-nominated at 03:12, 18 March 2024 (UTC).
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
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@AndrewPeterT: Hi, there! I will be reviewing this Did You Know nomination. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 23:55, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
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DYK eligibility scan results: (See here for details.)
- Prose size (text only): 7669 characters (1201 words) "readable prose size"
- Article created by AndrewPeterT on March 9, 2024
- Article moved from Draft:Descendants of Christian IX of Denmark on March 14, 2024
- Article has not been expanded 5x since it was created
- Article has not been created or expanded 5x or promoted to Good Article within the past 10 days (27 days) DYKcheck does not account for previous versions with splits or copyright violations.
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Overall: Yes Therealscorp1an (talk) 00:39, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
Review discussion
@AndrewPeterT: Well done for nominating this article, a topic that is of great interest to me. The hook I prefer is ALT0. As you'd know, there are a few criteria for DYK:
- This article was moved into the mainspace on 14 March and nominated on 18 March. Therefore, it is new enough.
- My immediate primary concern for this article was the overwhelming amount of tables in its use. However, good use of background information for each child ensures that there are around 6800-6900 characters of original prose. This makes the article long enough.
- These hooks, of which I prefer ALT0, are adequately sources, so there do exist cited hooks.
- As you have less than five DYK nominations, there is no quid pro quo required.
- Finally, the article's prose is well cited. Information within some tables, however, is not. Though it is clear that effort has been made to source information in some tables, some tables lack sourcing entirely. I am not too concerned with lack of sources for their birth and death dates as that can be found on their respective articles, but it is moreso their children. For example, three of Princess Alexandra of Hanover and Cumberland's children lack sources.
- The article has good spelling and grammar. There are a few fixes that could be made:
- "would go on to have" ➜ "had"
- "would go on to fight" ➜ "fought"
- "would go on long sea voyages..." ➜ "went on long sea voyages..."
- "Also, Alexandra and Edward's eldest..." ➜ "Additionally [or Furthermore, Moreover, etc.], Alexandra and Edward's eldest..."
- After addressing him, he no longer needs to be repeatedly called "George I", he can just be called "George". Same goes for anyone else with ordinals. If it is a new paragraph, feel free to restate the ordinal. I would suggest however, you write "Christian IX" instead of "Christian" the whole time.
- "Dagmar took the name Maria Feodorovna" ➜ "Dagmar took the name "Maria Feodorovna"". Italics not needed here. Quotation marks around her name is optional and up to you.
- "Moreover, both Nicholas and Michael were killed during the Russian Revolution." ➜ "Moreover, both Nicholas and Michael, along with Nicholas's five children, were killed during the Russian Revolution." Yes, only talking about the children are being talked about, but it is best to include them as they were also closely-related relatives who also died as a result of the Revolution.
- In the ALT0 hook, I would change it from "the parents to" ➜ "the parents of".
So, in summary, all that needs to be addressed is the sourcing within tables and a few spelling and grammar mistakes. I am also a bit concerned with the amount of WP:WHITESPACE. If this can't be fixed, it is not too much of a concern. Please let me know if you need any assistance or clarification. I hope this helps and I look forward to hopefully having this in DYK. Thanks. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 00:39, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Therealscorp1an: Thank you very much for your detailed evaluation and feedback. I have no objections to the ALT0 hook being used on the Main Page. Could you please let me know when I should make the suggested changes? As you noted, I am still in the process of citing some of the information in the tables. AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 02:12, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- @AndrewPeterT: As soon as possible. The quicker these are addressed, the quicker we can place it on DYK. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 04:10, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- All suggested spelling and grammar corrections have been made. I am prioritizing citing sources for the great-grandchildren of Christian IX and Louise. AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 04:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- @AndrewPeterT: Great job. There's one other thing I would change. In the caption of the photo that will be used for the hook, I would change "Christian IX with various children and grandchildren at Fredensborg Palace." to "1886 portrait of Christian IX and his family by Laurits Tuxen." It's best the artist is probably credited. Also, in the actual article, in order to aleviate some of the WP:WHITESPACE, I would remove the two protraits of Christian IX and Louise in the background section as there are paintings of them given in the table below so. Once you're done sourcing the table information, please let me know! - Therealscorp1an (talk) 00:08, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- All suggested spelling and grammar corrections have been made. I am prioritizing citing sources for the great-grandchildren of Christian IX and Louise. AndrewPeterT (talk) (contribs) 04:51, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- @AndrewPeterT: As soon as possible. The quicker these are addressed, the quicker we can place it on DYK. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 04:10, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ a b "Queen Louise". Amalienborg Palace. Retrieved March 17, 2024.
- ^ "The History of Denmark 1875-1900". Amalienborg Palace. Retrieved March 17, 2024.
- ^ "Christian IX". Royal Palaces. National Museum of Denmark. Retrieved March 17, 2024.
Articles created/expanded on March 19
Centurion C-RAM
- ... that the Centurion C-RAM (pictured) can fire more than 4500 rounds per minute? Source: https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2021/10/pdf/2110-factsheet-c-ram.pdf
- ALT1: ... that the American Centurion C-RAM (pictured) was developed during the Iraq war to shoot down mortar shells? Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20091231120809/http://defense-update.com/newscast/0508/news/news2105_c_ram.htm
- Reviewed: [[]]
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.(Ping me) On hold for merge discussion. Geardona (talk to me?) 04:21, 23 March 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on March 21
G299.2-2.9
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that G299.2-2.9 (pictured) was the result of a natural thermonuclear explosion?Source: https://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/2011/g299/ https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1086/520105- Reviewed:
- Comment: This is my first nomination :P
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.( ͡°( ͡° ͜ʖ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)ʖ ͡°)͡°) (talk) 16:37, 21 March 2024 (UTC).
- Um, that's just cutesy way of saying it was a supernova. Abductive (reasoning) 06:51, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
A couple of issues here. For one, what is "Source:" at the bottom? For another, the lede is far too long compared to the article's body. Generally, the lede should summarize the text in the article below, but in this case, it is the majority of the article. That does not seem difficult to fix, simply splitting it up. Perhaps the statement "and so provides astronomers..." could be sectionized out, leaving the lede as a summary. And while I'm here:
ALT1: .. that G299.2-2.9 (pictured) is one of the oldest known supernova remnants found in the Milky Way?
Maury Markowitz (talk) 16:25, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- (Thanks for the above, Maury, just jumping in here, to get things moving). I have split the article's leader, and moved part of it into the article body, as requested above. I have also moved the source link from below the images, and attached it to the image captions. I approve ALT1, and have struck ALT0. The article is new enough, long enough and neutral. The image is free and clear, and no QPQ is needed. That's the positive bit. On the negative side, Earwig finds enough plagiarised phrases to force a need to rephrase them. @MemeGod27: Please look at the Earwig link I have given you, and rephrase the words that are highlighted. We also need citations at the end of two of the article's paragraphs. When the copyvio and the citation issues are resolved, this should be good to go. Storye book (talk) 10:20, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on March 24
2024 opening of regular sessions of the National Congress of Argentina
- ... that the 2024 opening of regular sessions of the National Congress of Argentina took place at 21:00, instead of noon? Source: Javier Milei, en la apertura de sesiones 2024: las repercusiones del discurso del presidente
- (ALT1) ... that the 2024 opening of regular sessions of the National Congress of Argentina took place at 21:00, instead of noon?
Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 116 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Cambalachero (talk) 15:03, 25 March 2024 (UTC).
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- Other problems: - The link is too long, even if it contains the article title; I recommend splitting it and only bolding "2024 opening of regular sessions" and linking separately to the National Congress of Argentina. An ALT hook that mentions why the opening was held later might also be good to have.
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Overall: Hook is interesting and the article is in good shape. I'll leave it up to the nominator or promoter to change the hooks in the way I suggested, but won't fuss over it. Added clarification tags where needed. SounderBruce 04:51, 27 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Cambalachero: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 01:51, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
- Done Cambalachero (talk) 15:57, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Z1720 and SounderBruce: Courtesy ping. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 17:32, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Done Cambalachero (talk) 15:57, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on March 25
Bäckadräkten
- ... that the Bäckadräkten (pictured) is Sweden's first unisex folk costume? Source: The title of this article about the Bäckadräkten is "Fredy Clue and Ida Björs Make History by Creating Sweden's First Unisex Folk Costume".
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/N661US
- Comment: The owner of this photo has emailed Wikimedia to confirm release of the copyright; as I write this, that email is awaiting processing by Wikimedia.
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 13 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Dugan Murphy (talk) 17:30, 27 March 2024 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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- Neutral: - The article does not attribute the criticism of the costume, without which it is not possible to assess whether these sentiments are being given due weight. If the critics are important politicians, more weight would be necessary. If they are random Twitter commenters, it might not be necessary to even mention the criticism at all.
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - No text copyright issues detected. As to the images, though, looking at ticket:2024032510008305 (VRT only), there are unresolved licensing issues here.
Hook eligibility:
- Cited: - Headlines are not reliable sources, so the provided source is insufficient, but fortunately the article uses several citations for this, and [3] verifies just fine.
- Interesting:
Image eligibility:
- Freely licensed: - See above
- Used in article:
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Overall: @Dugan Murphy: This is a great article. If this were a GAN I'd only have a few more things to say than I've said above. There's four Xs above, but only one that actually requires action on your part, a pretty straightforward NPOV fix. If the image copyright question isn't resolved by the time you've dealt with NPOV, I will put this on hold pending a VRT decision. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 02:24, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- @Tamzin: Thank you for reviewing this nomination! I have added a few words to the Reception section clarifying who has expressed support and who has expressed opposition. The image copyright thing is still being reviewed, so unless there's someone else holding up this nomination, then we can put it on hold until VRT makes a decision. What do you think? Dugan Murphy (talk) 12:05, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- I think the additional details resolve the NPOV issue. The VRT ticket is awaiting clarification from Mx. Clue as of March 26, so if you're in touch with them you might want to give them a nudge. On hold for now. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 15:30, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
- Update: Fredy Clue sent an email about 2 weeks ago, which is awaiting response. I started this discussion on the Volunteer Response Team discussion board to check in on progress. Dugan Murphy (talk) 11:21, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- I think the additional details resolve the NPOV issue. The VRT ticket is awaiting clarification from Mx. Clue as of March 26, so if you're in touch with them you might want to give them a nudge. On hold for now. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 15:30, 30 March 2024 (UTC)
Enchylium limosum
- ... that Enchylium limosum (pictured) is considered a pioneer species, commonly colonizing bare, calcareous soils in habitats disrupted by human activity, such as quarries and spoil heaps? Source: 1 2 3
- ALT1: ... that Enchylium limosum (pictured) has had a taxonomic journey spanning centuries, undergoing numerous name changes before finally receiving its current accepted name in 2013? Source: 1 2 3
- ALT2: ... that Enchylium limosum (pictured) loves lime? Source: [1] [2] [3]
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Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.X (talk) 21:51, 25 March 2024 (UTC).
- I'll review this. Article length and eligibility checks out, and is generally quite presentable. I see no evidence of copyvio. Out of all of these, I think ALT2 is the best; but I don't really see evidence that it "loves lime" beyond its name, and the article is a bit vague about what the "loving" portion of "lime-loving" means. Unfortunately, I think the other two hooks are lengthy and not very interesting to a non-specialist audience. Can you find any sources about why it's a lime-loving lichen? Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 05:41, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
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- @Generalissima, Hey thanks for reviewing the article. The term "lime-loving" in the common name "Lime-loving Tarpaper Lichen" refers to the preference of Enchylium limosum for habitats with alkaline or calcareous substrates. Limestone, which contains calcium carbonate, is commonly referred to as "lime," hence the name. Lichens like Enchylium limosum thrive in environments where calcium-rich minerals are present, such as limestone or dolomitic rocks. This particular fact is mentioned throughout the sources that are used in the article. Common names given to species are pretty much self-explanatory in most cases, including this one. These sources, although not particularly about the article's subject, will give an idea of why such species of the genera are called "lime-loving." 1, [2].Sources that mention Enchylium limosum's calcareious habitat and common name are abundant and used throughout the article hence I felt it's redundant to mention them here.I hope I was able to provide some ideas. Let me know if you have other questions/suggestions. Regards.Edit: If you feel necessary, I can try to add more information explaining/shedding some background behind its common name in the etymology/taxonomy section. X (talk) 08:44, 1 April 2024 (UTC)
COSMOS field
- ... that the COSMOS field (pictured) is the largest contiguous survey of the universe ever taken by the Hubble Space Telescope? Source: https://esahubble.org/images/heic0701g/
- ALT1: ... that the COSMOS field (pictured) was the result of a collaboration between over 70 astronomers worldwide? Source: https://esahubble.org/images/heic0701g/
- ALT2: ... that the COSMOS field (pictured) image contains over 2 million galaxies? Source: https://hubblesite.org/contents/media/images/2007/01/2025-Image.html
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- Comment: I've changed the sources and hooks around a bit due to some miswording on my part.
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page. ᵀʰᵃᵗ ᵒⁿᵉ ᵈᵘᵈᵉ ʷʰᵒ ᵐᵃᵈᵉ ᵃˡˡ ᵗʰᵉ ˢᵖᵃᶜᵉ ᵃʳᵗᶦᶜˡᵉˢ (talk) 16:06, 25 March 2024 (UTC).
- Comment: I'm not sure if this is the right way to add a comment, but the information given above is largely incorrect. The COSMOS field is not one of the deepest images ever taken of the universe and it is definitely not the deepest Hubble image ever taken either. It is also not really accurate to say that it's one of the largest surveys of the universe ever. The esahubble.org page cited as the source doesn't make these claims either. It is one of the largest (maybe the largest?) contiguous fields ever mapped with Hubble, but that is different from the statements made here. Aldebarium (talk) 23:13, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: I mixed up the sources. [[4]https://esahubble.org/images/heic0701g/#:~:text=COSMOS%20%2D%20the%20Cosmic%20Evolution%20Survey,international%20team%20of%2070%20astronomers.%7Cthis]] source is the right one for the "Biggest survey" claim (which isn't a claim, it's a fact stated by Hubble/ESO) and is one of the largest surveys of the universe ever conducted (stated by HubbleSite among others, if you want links use my talk page, as I'm not too good with links). The 2 million+ galaxies statement has been said by multiple credible sources, including Caltech. ᵀʰᵃᵗ ᵒⁿᵉ ᵈᵘᵈᵉ ʷʰᵒ ᵐᵃᵈᵉ ᵃˡˡ ᵗʰᵉ ˢᵖᵃᶜᵉ ᵃʳᵗᶦᶜˡᵉˢ (talk) 13:48, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Still, most of the items listed above are incorrect. It is definitely not correct to state that this is one of the deepest images ever taken (either by Hubble, or more generally). There are many Hubble images that go deeper than this one. It is the largest contiguous survey field ever observed by Hubble, but that’s different from stating that it was one of the largest surveys of the universe ever. Partly this depends on what you mean by “largest”: if referring to angular area covered, other surveys like SDSS are vastly larger. Aldebarium (talk) 15:03, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Relooking at some if the sources, you are actually right, it is the largest contiguous survey, however, so I'll just reword the Hooks ᵀʰᵃᵗ ᵒⁿᵉ ᵈᵘᵈᵉ ʷʰᵒ ᵐᵃᵈᵉ ᵃˡˡ ᵗʰᵉ ˢᵖᵃᶜᵉ ᵃʳᵗᶦᶜˡᵉˢ (talk) 15:10, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. But again, it’s important to clarify this was the largest contiguous area observed *by Hubble* for a distant galaxy survey. It is not even close to being one of the largest contiguous survey fields ever: many other surveys (such as SDSS) have covered vastly larger survey areas. The area of the COSMOS field is 2 square degrees, while the original SDSS covered something like 10,000 square degrees. Aldebarium (talk) 15:37, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, thanks for the help. Everything should be good now. Again, thanks! :) ᵀʰᵃᵗ ᵒⁿᵉ ᵈᵘᵈᵉ ʷʰᵒ ᵐᵃᵈᵉ ᵃˡˡ ᵗʰᵉ ˢᵖᵃᶜᵉ ᵃʳᵗᶦᶜˡᵉˢ (talk) 15:55, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. But again, it’s important to clarify this was the largest contiguous area observed *by Hubble* for a distant galaxy survey. It is not even close to being one of the largest contiguous survey fields ever: many other surveys (such as SDSS) have covered vastly larger survey areas. The area of the COSMOS field is 2 square degrees, while the original SDSS covered something like 10,000 square degrees. Aldebarium (talk) 15:37, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Relooking at some if the sources, you are actually right, it is the largest contiguous survey, however, so I'll just reword the Hooks ᵀʰᵃᵗ ᵒⁿᵉ ᵈᵘᵈᵉ ʷʰᵒ ᵐᵃᵈᵉ ᵃˡˡ ᵗʰᵉ ˢᵖᵃᶜᵉ ᵃʳᵗᶦᶜˡᵉˢ (talk) 15:10, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
- Still, most of the items listed above are incorrect. It is definitely not correct to state that this is one of the deepest images ever taken (either by Hubble, or more generally). There are many Hubble images that go deeper than this one. It is the largest contiguous survey field ever observed by Hubble, but that’s different from stating that it was one of the largest surveys of the universe ever. Partly this depends on what you mean by “largest”: if referring to angular area covered, other surveys like SDSS are vastly larger. Aldebarium (talk) 15:03, 26 March 2024 (UTC)
I shall review this. Storye book (talk) 13:31, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
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Overall: Thank you for this fascinating article. It has two issues, plus I think we still need final confirmation that the hooks are all true:
Two of the article's paragraphs contain no citations. They should at least have one citation at the end of each.This bit is copyright violation (plagiarism). You need to either rephrase it completely and cite it, or put it unchanged in quotation marks and cite it: Is the Hubble Space Telescope's largest ever contiguous survey of the Universe and was carried out by an international team of 70 astronomers on July 1, 2013. In making the COSMOS survey, Hubble photographed 575 adjacent and slightly overlapping views of the universe using its Advanced Camera for Surveys' (ACS) Wide Field Camera. It took nearly 1,000 hours of observations. The distances to the galaxies were determined from their redshifts, using ESO's Very Large Telescope, the Subaru and CFHT telescopes in Hawaii and the MagellanPlease do the same with this one: covers a 2 square degree equatorial field, with spectroscopy and X-ray to radio imaging. Over 2 million galaxies are detected, spanning 75% of the age of the Universe.- Aldebarium Please would you kindly confirm that the above hooks are now all true?
When the above issues are resolved, This nomination could be passed.
- Positive notes
- I have copyedited the article, but that does not affect DYK.
- According to DYK check, the article was created on 25 March. According to the article history, it was nominated n the same day (so no problem with timing).
- Normally, an image like the one above would fail DYK assessment, because a glance at the thumbnail version says that it is just a black square. However in this case, I believe the public will understand that you have to click on it because it is obviously a night sky with stars in it. Storye book (talk) 14:39, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- All issues have been fixed as of now. MemeGod ._. (talk) 12:04, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- The listed information appears correct now, except for the final point about “identified galaxies". I don’t think that the statement “over 200,000 identified galaxies” is really meaningful. What does it mean for a galaxy to be “identified”? This isn’t specified. The online catalogs contain measured photometry (magnitudes) and other information for a larger number than this, and according to the COSMOS web page at Caltech the data provide morphological information for over 2 million galaxies. The number of 200,000 seems to be taken from the COSMOS field article, and the citation for this fact in that article links to a paper by Darvish et al., but I’m not sure where exactly in that article the number 200,000 appears (if at all). In the paper (section 2) they say that their analysis used a sample of about 40,000 galaxies with accurate photometric redshifts, which is a small fraction of the total galaxy count in COSMOS. In any case, I don’t think that the concept of “identified galaxies” is really useful or meaningful unless a more specific definition is given and citation is found to back up this number. If that line is removed, the remaining information all looks ok. Aldebarium (talk) 16:02, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'll just remove ALT3, you are probably right MemeGod ._. (talk) 16:26, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- The listed information appears correct now, except for the final point about “identified galaxies". I don’t think that the statement “over 200,000 identified galaxies” is really meaningful. What does it mean for a galaxy to be “identified”? This isn’t specified. The online catalogs contain measured photometry (magnitudes) and other information for a larger number than this, and according to the COSMOS web page at Caltech the data provide morphological information for over 2 million galaxies. The number of 200,000 seems to be taken from the COSMOS field article, and the citation for this fact in that article links to a paper by Darvish et al., but I’m not sure where exactly in that article the number 200,000 appears (if at all). In the paper (section 2) they say that their analysis used a sample of about 40,000 galaxies with accurate photometric redshifts, which is a small fraction of the total galaxy count in COSMOS. In any case, I don’t think that the concept of “identified galaxies” is really useful or meaningful unless a more specific definition is given and citation is found to back up this number. If that line is removed, the remaining information all looks ok. Aldebarium (talk) 16:02, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, Aldebarium and MemeGod27. I understand that the hooks are now acceptable, but I see that the article still has the contested phrase “over 200,000 identified galaxies” as a caption to the picture. Please could we have that removed, so that I can give the green tick? Thanks. Storye book (talk) 17:04, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Done, I just replaced it with "thousands of galaxies". Thanks :P MemeGod ._. (talk) 17:52, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, MemeGod27 for those corrections. However, now that those issues have gone, some other problems have become more visible:
- * The paragraph beginning, "The area, corresponding" has no citation at the end. Please either provide a citation, or remove the uncited sentence.
- * Earwig now finds two sections which must be rephrased to avoid copyvio: "Hubble Space Telescope has a narrow field of view, which is only a fraction of the angular diameter of the Moon.", and "covers two square degrees of sky. By comparison, the Earth's Moon is one-half degree across. The field is being imaged by most major space-based and ground-based telescopes".
- * Note that the technique of copying and pasting material into an article, then trying to rephrase it in situ, just doesn't work. You always end up with sections of it which are unchanged. The best way is to read the source, then put it out of sight, and write the information in your own words into the article. If you tell yourself that you can write it more clearly and concisely, that usually works. Only proper names (words beginning with capitals) and short, common phrases, can be safely transferred into the article. If you really cannot rephrase a section, put it in quotation marks, with the citation at the end. Storye book (talk) 09:22, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Done , I reworded the FOV part but just phrased the second one you pointed out, as there is no way I can reword it but keep the same integrity (and the source is cited and mentioned). I also added the citation that you mentioned. Thanks Storye book! :D MemeGod ._. (talk) 15:25, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, MemeGod27 for rephrasing the first citation mentioned above. You had not dealt with the missing citation at the end of the para mentioned above, so I removed the uncited bit to the talk page. It can stay safely there until you can find a citation. Re the second citation: if you don't put it in quotation marks, it is still copyright violation even if you have added a citation. You still need to add quotation marks, because the phrasing itself is copyrighted. I have added the quotation marks for you, because we cannot just leave copyvio in the article. The article is now cleaned up, and can go forward.
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Good to go, with ALT 0, 1 or 2, and the picture. Note to promoter: I believe that the readers will understand that a sky-at-night picture will look black as a thumbnail, but will be well worth clicking on, to see the stars. However, that is ultimately a matter for the promoter to decide.Storye book (talk) 17:06, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Just one more comment- after reading through the COSMOS field article, I have to say that it is very poorly written, unclear and confusing in many aspects of its content, and contains some errors (such as the implication that the entire field was imaged in 1 day, which I will fix now). It would benefit from a complete rewrite. (not that I have time to do this, but the article is really not in good condition at present.) Aldebarium (talk) 18:09, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- . Thank you, Aldebarium. I have changed the green ticks to a "no", for the present.
- Note to admin: Please give this nomination a set period of time for the article to have a full rewrite, before closing it down, in the hope that someone might re-write the article. Can you give it a month? Storye book (talk) 09:35, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- I'm working on it right now. :) MemeGod ._. (talk) 14:50, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, MemeGod27. Please let us know when you have finished the re-write? Storye book (talk) 15:54, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Okay, got it. MemeGod ._. (talk) 16:48, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on March 26
Histamine N-methyltransferase
- ... that histamine N-methyltransferase (HNMT) enzyme regulates essential brain functions and sleep-wake cycles in humans? Yoshikawa T, Yanai K (September 2016). "Histamine Clearance Through Polyspecific Transporters in the Brain". Handb Exp Pharmacol. Handbook of Experimental Pharmacology. 241: 173–187. doi:10.1007/164_2016_13. ISBN 978-3-319-58192-7. PMID 27679412.
- ALT1: ... that histamine N-methyltransferase (HNMT) is the only enzyme in the human body responsible for metabolizing histamine within the central nervous system, playing a crucial role in brain function? Yoshikawa T, Yanai K (September 2016). "Histamine Clearance Through Polyspecific Transporters in the Brain". Handb Exp Pharmacol. Handbook of Experimental Pharmacology. 241: 173–187. doi:10.1007/164_2016_13. ISBN 978-3-319-58192-7. PMID 27679412.
- ALT2: ... that histamine N-methyltransferase (HNMT) plays a crucial role in sleep-wake cycles as the only histamine-metabolizing enzyme in the human central nervous system? Yoshikawa T, Yanai K (September 2016). "Histamine Clearance Through Polyspecific Transporters in the Brain". Handb Exp Pharmacol. Handbook of Experimental Pharmacology. 241: 173–187. doi:10.1007/164_2016_13. ISBN 978-3-319-58192-7. PMID 27679412.
- ALT3: ... that histamine N-methyltransferase (HNMT) is the only histamine-metabolizing enzyme in the brain, and its activity helps maintain arousal and sleep functions? Yoshikawa T, Yanai K (September 2016). "Histamine Clearance Through Polyspecific Transporters in the Brain". Handb Exp Pharmacol. Handbook of Experimental Pharmacology. 241: 173–187. doi:10.1007/164_2016_13. ISBN 978-3-319-58192-7. PMID 27679412.
- Reviewed:
- Comment: This is my very first DYK nomination. User:Sammi Brie: since you are the DYK expert, if you have suggestions, or you noticed that I did something wrong, please help.
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Maxim Masiutin (talk) 21:15, 28 March 2024 (UTC).
- I struck ALT2 as it is too long (318 characters). ALT1 is 198, near the limit of 200. By the way, Maxim Masiutin, the source you should link to in a DYK nomination is the cited reference in the article for the hook fact. I can't review since I handled the GA nomination, but I wanted to flag those two things. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 21:38, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
ALT1 could perhaps be streamlined a bit more to "... plays a crucial role in sleep-wake cycles as the only histamine-metabolizing enzyme in the human central nervous system?" JoelleJay (talk) 06:05, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
Regarding the new sources, I would definitely advise against citing Scientific Reports or Frontiers for this, especially the former as it is also a primary source. Per MEDRS we should reflect what secondary review sources say on a topic, and I think for statements made in wikivoice in a high-profile venue we need much more reputable sources than Sci Rep and Frontiers. They can still be used in the article, but ought to be accompanied by additional supporting sources. This Physiological Reviews article could serve as a replacement for the claim that it's the only neuronal enzyme degrading histamine, while this Sleep review touches on HNMT's role in aggression and indirectly on sleep. The Handbook cited in ALT4 also works for all of these claims (though a lot of the HNMT info is just the authors reviewing their own work; not necessarily a problem, but something to keep in mind). Note that the first two state it is acting in the extracellular space, which is in contrast to the mechanism put forth in the last. Regarding ALT4, this could easily be read as "HNMT is the only enzyme in the brain that maintains arousal and sleep functions, which it does by degrading histamine", which is incorrect, rather than "HNMT is the only histamine-metabolizing enzyme in the brain, AND its activity helps maintain arousal and sleep functions". JoelleJay (talk) 16:46, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Please let me explain on why I don't agree with your statment that the cited study is a primary study for the claim it backs up. For that particular claim, it is a secondary source. This is not a primary source for the particular claim that "(HNMT) is the only histamine-metabolizing enzyme in the brain, and its activity helps maintain arousal and sleep functions". This source makes synthesis what already was known about HNMT in its introductory staments. It is not the source that figured out that "(HNMT) is the only histamine-metabolizing enzyme in the brain, and its activity helps maintain arousal and sleep functions". It may be a primary sources for the other claims which were the subject of the study of this publication, but not for the quoted claim. Let me give you another example. Consider a study on whether ketotifen increases appetite in mice that claims that ketotifen is an antihistamine. For the claim that ketotifen is an antihistamine medication, that study is is a secondary. For the claim that ketotifen increased appetite on mice, it is a primary sources. Frequently, research research articles such as invitro studies or animal model studies give some synthesis on earlier reasearch for some introductory statements, making them secondary research for that statement. Maxim Masiutin (talk) 02:29, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- I changed the sources as you suggested. I removed sources that the plugin marks by yellow background and found a source that the plugin doesn't mark as yellow. It marked MDPI publications yellow, but didn't mark the Springer book yellow.
- Maxim Masiutin: Please respond to the above. This is technically the oldest unreviewed nom, so I would otherwise review it, except I know virtually nothing about WP:MEDRS and refs 7, 8, 11, 18, 20, 32, 39, 40, 43, 51, 52, 53, 54, 55, 56, 57, 60, 61, 63 all come up yellow on WP:UPSD.--Launchballer 15:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Launchballer: I have a plugin that shows them yellow too, I don't know why it shows this way. The sources are fully WP:MEDRS. These requirements are not that complicated, essentially, the source should not be primary, it should be at least secondary, i.e. the source that mentions source rather than the source mentions the information. Maxim Masiutin (talk) 21:24, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- All the MDPI links should be axed; it is not considered a reliable publisher. Frontiers journals should also not be cited, although they're somewhat less problematic. JoelleJay (talk) 22:23, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- I removed the MPDI links from this template, but if you mean that I should remove all MDPI links from the HNMT article for it to qualify for DYK, otherwise my DYK nomination will fail, I will regret about it, I didn't know that MPDI source prevents an article from be a DYK. I used MPDI articles that are in compliance with WP:MEDRS, they are also indexed in PubMed. I also use MPDI with care, for example, I didn't quote a health claim or something extraordinary from MDPI, only some undisputed pieces of general information, that MDPI quoted from other sources which are very reliable. For example, I used MDPI to support the statement that "HNMT does not have promoter cis-elements, such as TATA and CAAT boxes". The MDPI article has the following statement (quote): "Its gene is poorly characterized and lacks canonical promoter cis-elements such as TATA and CAAT boxes" that it cites from Reyes-Palomares, Armando; Montañez, Raúl; Sánchez-Jiménez, Francisca; Medina, Miguel Ángel (4 August 2011). "A combined model of hepatic polyamine and sulfur amino acid metabolism to analyze S-adenosyl methionine availability". Amino Acids. 42 (2–3): 597–610. doi:10.1007/s00726-011-1035-7. PMID 21814788.. If you noticed a particular MDPI reference that falls of this principle, please let me know. Still, I would be unable to remove all linkst to MDPI for the reasons I mentioned. Maxim Masiutin (talk) 22:40, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- If you wish, I can augment references to MDPI with references to the sources that they cite, but keeping only these sources as a replacement for MDPI should not be sufficient due to the rules of WP:MEDRS, formally.Maxim Masiutin (talk) 22:45, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- For future reference, how do I tell these at a glance?--Launchballer 05:56, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- All the MDPI links should be axed; it is not considered a reliable publisher. Frontiers journals should also not be cited, although they're somewhat less problematic. JoelleJay (talk) 22:23, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Launchballer: I nominated DYK based on the recent GA review, I didn't add any new source since the GA review, and the GA review should also follow WP:MEDRS - the completion that the article fullfilled and the condition verified by the GA reviewer. This is my understanding of the situation. Maxim Masiutin (talk) 21:26, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Launchballer: I have nominated several articles in the past for GA, some passed, and I have done some GA reviews in the past. As for the DYK, this is my first ever DYK nomination. I don't yet fully understand the DYK process. Therefore, I will did some techincal errors in the DYK, please help me resolve them. Thank you in advance! Maxim Masiutin (talk) 21:35, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- You do only have to ping me once. I'll review this properly in the morning.--Launchballer 22:24, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, I replied to the initial objection as you suggested, thank you again! Maxim Masiutin (talk) 02:29, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Long enough, new enough. ALTs 0-3 cited, short enough, and interesting, however all four should lose "(HNMT)" per WP:DYK200, and I'd expect a more merciless prepbuilder to truncate ALT1 at "system". Article is devoid of maintenance templates and neutrality issues. Is there another way of writing "In mammals, histamine is metabolized by two major pathways"?--Launchballer 07:06, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- I rewritten the sentence that starts with "In mammals, histamine is metabolized by two major pathways" the following way: "In mammals, there are two main ways to inactivate histamine by metabolism: one is through a process called oxidative deamination, which involves the enzyme diamine oxidase (DAO) produced by the AOC1 gene, and the other is through a process called Nτ-methylation, which involves the enzyme N-methyltransferase. In the context of biochemistry, inactivation by metabolism refers to the process where a substance, such as a hormone, is converted into a form that is no longer active or effective (inactivation), via a process where the substance is chemically altered (metabolism)." Did I understand correctly your concern about this sentence and addressed your concern adequately? Maxim Masiutin (talk) 22:24, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- You also mentioned lengths. Can you please help me and modify the sentences to fit the length where it violated the length limitations? Maxim Masiutin (talk) 22:25, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Long enough, new enough. ALTs 0-3 cited, short enough, and interesting, however all four should lose "(HNMT)" per WP:DYK200, and I'd expect a more merciless prepbuilder to truncate ALT1 at "system". Article is devoid of maintenance templates and neutrality issues. Is there another way of writing "In mammals, histamine is metabolized by two major pathways"?--Launchballer 07:06, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, I replied to the initial objection as you suggested, thank you again! Maxim Masiutin (talk) 02:29, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- You do only have to ping me once. I'll review this properly in the morning.--Launchballer 22:24, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- Launchballer: I have a plugin that shows them yellow too, I don't know why it shows this way. The sources are fully WP:MEDRS. These requirements are not that complicated, essentially, the source should not be primary, it should be at least secondary, i.e. the source that mentions source rather than the source mentions the information. Maxim Masiutin (talk) 21:24, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
Please give me one day to address current issue raised. I wanted to resolve them yesterday, but didn't manage to do that, sorry for the delayed answer, just give me one day please. Maxim Masiutin (talk) 07:16, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Sure, take your time. Make sure you remedy both mine and JoelleJay's concerns.--Launchballer 07:20, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- I hope I addressed all the issues mentioned except removal of links to journals published by the MDPI publisher. I gave reasons. If you still think that links to all MDPI journals should be removed, could you please request a second opinion from a editor with Wikipedia medical sources experience? However, the other editors of Wikipedia medical articles thought that I am competent enough in sourcing, and they appreciated it via barnstars, see my user page for those barnstars. Maxim Masiutin (talk) 22:52, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Still, I am new to DYK and your help in any form will be appreciated by me, and it will definitely be helpful for potential readers; for example, if you could suggest a better ALT or let me know how can I further improve the article. Maxim Masiutin (talk) 22:56, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- If you will agree on my proposal to ask opinions on capable editors on sourcing, I can suggest several candidates. Just let me know how to proceed. Maxim Masiutin (talk) 22:56, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Article length is fine and hook length is fine, they just can't have "(HNMT)" or any contents in brackets in them, and my copyright concerns are resolved. (If I was feeling particularly Bolshie, I might reword the hooks so that the article would be linked via "the only enzyme in the human body responsible for metabolizing histamine" or similar, therefore taking the title out of the hook, but that is absolutely not essential.) I could be wrong on this, so pinging JoelleJay to double check, but if my understanding is correct, then articles in predatory journals are self-published, and should not be used for almost all claims.--Launchballer 06:29, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on March 28
The Cutting Edge: The Magic of Movie Editing
- ... that the filmmakers of the 2004 documentary The Cutting Edge: The Magic of Movie Editing secured the rights to nearly 300 movie clips for free by Warner Bros.? Source: https://cinemontage.org/the-cutting-edge/
- ALT1: ... that Wendy Apple, the director of The Cutting Edge: The Magic of Movie Editing, recorded over 100 hours of interviews and sent the transcripts to the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences? Source: https://cinemontage.org/the-cutting-edge/
- ALT2: ... that the 2-disc release of the 1968 film Bullitt contains a feature-length documentary film, The Cutting Edge: The Magic of Movie Editing? Source: https://theasc.com/magazine/oct05/dvd/page2.html
- ALT3: ... that the 2004 documentary The Cutting Edge: The Magic of Movie Editing contains interviews from 30 film editors and 17 directors? Source: https://variety.com/2004/film/reviews/the-cutting-edge-the-magic-of-movie-editing-1200530187/
- ALT4: ... that Japanese company NHK funded the documentary film The Cutting Edge: The Magic of Movie Editing because it was shot in high-definition? Source: https://cinemontage.org/the-cutting-edge/
- Reviewed:
- Comment: I found so many useful facts about this under-appreciated documentary, especially its pre-production. The only interview that I found that went into extreme detail was an article from CineMontage with executive producer and film editor Alan Heim. It was a stub article, and now I reassessed it as a C-article. I also ensured that the article follows the 5x expanded rule.
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Yoshiman6464 ♫🥚 03:37, 30 March 2024 (UTC).
- I'll take this. Nice work!
- 5x expansion confirmed, and new enough. Adequately referenced (I presume Synopsis / Summary sections are excused from the usual DYK citation-per-paragraph rule). The main potential content problem is neutrality... for example, in Legacy, it states "Since its original release, the documentary film has been showcased in film schools worldwide," but the source is an interview with the executive producer of The Cutting Edge. Not throwing shade here, but this needs to be attributed and taken with a gallon of salt if included - interviews with creators about how important and popular their work was are routinely exaggerated, sometimes by a lot. I don't think "showcased in film schools worldwide" can be stated as a fact in the lead section, for example. I think some closer reading of the sources might help - for example, you've written "Gerald Perry of Boston Pheonix thought that Cold Mountain a mediocre film." First, it's Phoenix (I make typos too, no worries), but more importantly, that wasn't Perry's complaint reading the source - he's complaining Murch was "windy" (i.e. long-winded, i.e. too many words to say too little). The actual problem wasn't necessarily that Cold Mountain was meh, that was just an aggravating factor.
- For the hooks... hmm, this might be a tastes thing. There's a trend by some DYK hook reviewers to favor real-world facts, but none of these seem particularly interesting to me? Lots of stuff was in high-def by 2004, any vanity producer can send transcripts to a museum, how many discs were in the Special Edition of Bullit is irrelevant and it being a DVD value addin isn't that interesting, Warner Bros. probably just wanted some free advertising by licensing out their clips, etc. Of these, I think I prefer the simple ALT3 the most, although I couldn't find direct verification on the director count - but 17 sounds fine and it's probably just in a different source. Does that work for you? Happy to take a look at another ALT if something "punchier" can be found. (And please do a pass on neutrality per above; I think we're close.) SnowFire (talk) 04:38, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- @SnowFire: I fixed the neutrality issues that you pointed out in the article. I was able to find an Indian film editor who was inspired by the documentary as well as some lists. I rewrote that problematic section in the LEAD to "In later years, the documentary influenced younger international film editors and was seen as an essential documentary about filmmaking." As for ALT3, I can re-write it to this:
- ... that the 2004 documentary The Cutting Edge: The Magic of Movie Editing contains interviews from dozens of film editors, including women underrepresented in the field?Source: https://archive.org/details/sim_boston-phoenix_december-10-16-2004_33_50/
- I wanted to rewrtie this section because the added source mentioned the presence these editors. I also wanted to highlight female editors since, per the documentary, they were underrepresented. I also wanted to bring it up since the most recent Oscar-winning editor was a woman named Jennifer Lame. I even changed the source to a review from Boston Pheonix since it mentions female representation. With that in mind, I don't think a specific number is too important here. Yoshiman6464 ♫🥚 14:29, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- @SnowFire: I fixed the neutrality issues that you pointed out in the article. I was able to find an Indian film editor who was inspired by the documentary as well as some lists. I rewrote that problematic section in the LEAD to "In later years, the documentary influenced younger international film editors and was seen as an essential documentary about filmmaking." As for ALT3, I can re-write it to this:
Articles created/expanded on March 30
Mohammad Saifullah Ozaki
- ... that the Bangladeshi and Japanese Islamic State leader Mohammad Saifullah Ozaki, believed responsible for a bakery attack, had previously served as an associate professor at Ritsumeikan University? Source: Meet the mastermind of the Holey attack "Sajit Debnath aka Muhammad Saifullah Ozaki, the Japanese-Bangladeshi jihadi and former associate professor of Ritsumeikan University, is most likely the elusive ameer of ISIS in Bangladesh, responsible for a series of jihadi attacks in the country including the July 2016 massacre at the Holey Artisan Bakery."
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Anonymous 16:48, 31 March 2024 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing:
- Neutral: - issue
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Hook eligibility:
- Cited: - issue
- Interesting:
QPQ: Done. |
Overall: Article is new enough, long enough, and is well-sourced, but the source used here has an issue (see Buxton comments below). Possibly hook could be improved (see comment below), a really interesting article John Cummings (talk) 19:15, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note: I changed the review status thanks to Bruxton for flagging the issues. John Cummings (talk) 19:23, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Regarding this nomination. It is a BLP so I am cautious about promoting a hook that seems to imply guilt before conviction. Also the bit in the hook about him being an associate professor... it appears in the lead uncited. In the body it just says "He began teaching at Kyoto's Ritsumeikan" - since it is a hook fact it should be stated in the body directly followed by a citation. The hook is 197 characters so it is 3 under the limit, but also gives too much info. (I also made this reply at DYK). I think we need a new hook that because this is a BLP. Bruxton (talk) 19:16, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
UT Rio Grande Valley Vaqueros football
- ... that the UT Rio Grande Valley Vaqueros football team were members of the United Athletic Conference but left before ever having played a game there? Source: [5] - the team has not played yet (it starts next year), and originally was a member of the United Athletic Conference, but it was announced last month that the school was moving to the Southland Conference - let me know if I need to make this more clear in the article
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/United States' Telegraph & pending
Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 157 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:28, 6 April 2024 (UTC).
- The article is all sourced and has no copyright issues. Regarding the hook, I suggest making the change in the article so that readers can see it and understand when it appears in the DYK. Other than that, the hook is good to go. - Toadboy123 (talk) 09:04, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note that I still have to do the QPQs... BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:28, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Without QPQs, this can't be given a tick. Giving more appropriate icon for present time. BlueMoonset (talk) 03:14, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Note that I still have to do the QPQs... BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:28, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on March 31
Exdeath
- ... that Final Fantasy's "first great villain" has been compared to characters like the Green Goblin and the Joker? Source: [6] [7]
- Reviewed:
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.detriaskies 22:14, 6 April 2024 (UTC).
- The article is new but not long, thanks to the presence of that maintenance template demanding a section expansion and a lede merely consisting of an opening sentence. It has an image licensed for fair use but lacks a suitable caption, as well as a few questionable sources, such as RPGamer (cite 14). Furthermore, no copyvio or plagiarism concerns (assuming good faith on non-English language sources) and the hook is cited and is fine. Nominator is exempted from doing a QPQ, but they should be credited on this DYK as the "nominator" as opposed to mainspace mover, who is actually User:Kung Fu Man (diff). Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 05:52, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Doesn't appear to be an expand template on this any more. Lede would still deserve {{lead too short}}, but updating icon.--Launchballer 18:58, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 1
Euwallacea validus
- ... that out of the known Euwallacea spp., Euwallacea validus is the only one that exhibits fidelity with its respective fungi? Source: Berger, Matthew C. (2017). Interactions between Euwallacea Ambrosia Beetles, Their Fungal Symbionts and the Native Trees They Attack in the Eastern United States (Thesis). West Virginia University Libraries. doi:10.33915/etd.5186.
- Reviewed:
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Bomapoodle (talk) 15:34, 5 April 2024 (UTC).
- @Bomapoodle: Hello and welcome to DYK! Unfortunately, the hook might not be a good fit for DYK as it's somewhat specialist, meaning unless someone is well-versed in biology they might not necessarily get what the hook is trying to say. I would suggest proposing a hook or two that's targeted more towards readers who may not known much about biology. In addition, the current hook is also confusing: it's not clear that Euwallacea validus is actually a beetle rather than a fungus, a possible misinterpretation given the wording. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:22, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- The nominator has not edited since the day of the nomination, and the WikiEdu course they were part of has ended its Wikipedia part. As it is unlikely for them to return, there no longer appears to be a path forward for the nomination. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:31, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 2
Rodolfo Pallucchini
- ... that Italian art historian Rodolfo Pallucchini was made the director of the Institute of Art History of the Giorgio Cini Foundation of Venice in 1972? Source: https://www.britannica.com/contributor/Rodolfo-Pallucchini/2235
- ... that the theory put forth by Italian art historian Pallucchini that Venetian painter Giambattista Pittoni studied under Veronese painter Antonio Balestra is widely discredited?
- Reviewed:
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Brudelman (talk) 05:22, 9 April 2024 (UTC).
- Note: the nominator is currently blocked from new mainspace or category creations over concerns regarding competency; however, as they are not fully blocked I am not sure if this will affect the nomination or not. This is just something to keep in mind. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:52, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Wasn't blocked at the time, and can still edit the page, so should be fine. I'm a bit irked by the fact that none of the accessdates are recent, which implies that they've been copied from somewhere.--Launchballer 09:47, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: Looking at their talk page, it appears they have already received a warning for copyright violations. For what it's worth, while Earwigs gave a largely okay score, there are at least two sentences that are very close matches with another source, but I don't know if they're acceptable given they're relatively minor, or this still counts as a copyvio or close paraphrasing. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:56, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think that's severe enough to warrant quick-failing/WP:G12ing, but something must be done about it. Pinging Brudelman for immediate attention.--Launchballer 10:24, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- I merely copied and pasted the text for the Rodolfo Pallucchini article from its Italian language counterpart, its original sole article. Also, @Narutolovehinata5 I'm curious, what are access dates? Why are you irked that they aren't recent? Thanks.Brudelman (talk) 12:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Access dates are the date the reference was accessed, web pages sometimes change and they're useful for establishing which version is being cited. My beef is that older references are usually an indicator of "this has existed elsewhere", which could mean this is a split, which could affect eligibility per WP:DYKLEN. Translations are fine though, per WP:DYKNEW.--Launchballer 12:41, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- If it was based on the Italian article, then the translation must be attributed, either by using {{Translated|it|Rodolfo Pallucchini}} in the talk page, or by explicitly saying so in the edit summary. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:38, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- I merely copied and pasted the text for the Rodolfo Pallucchini article from its Italian language counterpart, its original sole article. Also, @Narutolovehinata5 I'm curious, what are access dates? Why are you irked that they aren't recent? Thanks.Brudelman (talk) 12:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think that's severe enough to warrant quick-failing/WP:G12ing, but something must be done about it. Pinging Brudelman for immediate attention.--Launchballer 10:24, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: Looking at their talk page, it appears they have already received a warning for copyright violations. For what it's worth, while Earwigs gave a largely okay score, there are at least two sentences that are very close matches with another source, but I don't know if they're acceptable given they're relatively minor, or this still counts as a copyvio or close paraphrasing. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:56, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Wasn't blocked at the time, and can still edit the page, so should be fine. I'm a bit irked by the fact that none of the accessdates are recent, which implies that they've been copied from somewhere.--Launchballer 09:47, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Might as well give this a preliminary review while I'm here. I think the main elephant in the room is that the current hook isn't actually all that hooky. It doesn't really make it clear why him being a director is such a big deal, nor would it catch much attention. There are also multiple uncited statements in the article, such as several entries in the Administrative positions section (which might work better in prose rather than as a list). The last sentence of the Career section is unreferenced, and is also missing a space before it. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:11, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
World Central Kitchen drone strikes
- ... that the attack on World Central Kitchen convoy in the Gaza Strip, which killed seven aid workers, was a result of three consecutive missiles fired by an Israeli drone? Source: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-02/ty-article/.premium/idf-bombed-wck-aid-convoy-3-times-targeting-armed-hamas-member-who-wasnt-there/0000018e-9e75-d764-adff-9eff29360000
Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 37 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Makeandtoss (talk) 13:41, 3 April 2024 (UTC).
My objection is now outdated. Events and sources are moving. starship.paint (RUN) 02:44, 6 April 2024 (UTC) |
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@Makeandtoss: - you are assuming too much of the sources. (1) Bellingcat does not say three consecutive strikes, they simply say Israeli airstrike, Bellingcat cannot confirm that it was missiles or that they were even fired by a drone: Although not possible to be certain without fragments of the munition itself, the WCK vehicles bear the hallmarks of a precision strike by inert or low-yield missiles ... In order to successfully accomplish a laser guided strike it is necessary for a platform, such as a drone, to “illuminate” the target with a laser while the missile is launched.(2) BBC writes that the evidence suggests there was more than one strike, but this is not confirmation, BBC's experts also do not confirm that it was a drone strike: Chris Cobb-Smith, a former British Army officer and ex-UN weapons inspector, said the attack was probably the result of drone-launched Spike missiles ... Justin Crump, a former British Army officer who runs Sibylline - a risk intelligence company - agreed. He says the attack "was likely drone-launched and targeted". He added the strike had probably been caused by a missile, rather than a bomb or mortar.(3) Al Jazeera goes the furthest, their article text says The shelling targeted three vehicles belonging to WCK, one at a time, but if you read the article text, there is no mention of drone missiles, instead they say: Analysis of images of the second and third targeted vehicles showed signs of a projectile entering from the top and exiting through the bottom, suggesting that the cars were targeted from the air.Now, Al Jazeera's image does mention "drone strikes" and missiles, but I find it peculiar that they didn't mention (or even attempt to explain) it in the article text. The sources are simply weaker than you portray them to be. None of them confirm, all of them are simply suggesting / probably / likely etc. starship.paint (RUN) 11:55, 4 April 2024 (UTC) |
Can I suggest some edits to the hook to make it clearer what happened? I'd suggest something like Humanitarian and aid organizations suspended their operations in the Gaza Strip after seven World Central Kitchen aid workers were killed when their marked cars on a preapproved route were bombed by Israeli drones. I think its really important to make clear they were in marked cars, they were also on a route approved by the Israeli military. Makeandtoss what do you think? Also have any additional sources been published that would resolve the dissagreement above? If not maybe a third party could be involved to help resolve if the sourcing meets Wikipedia's rules. John Cummings (talk) 13:48, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Please note that this is also nominated at ITN. It can only reach the main page through one of the possible venues. At this point, there isn't consensus to post to ITN, but that can change. Schwede66 02:12, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
@Starship.paint: @John Cummings: Thanks for commenting. Starship.paint, building on our discussion on the talk page, I think we can both agree to this ALT1 version: ... that the attack on World Central Kitchen convoy in the Gaza Strip, which killed seven aid workers, was likely a result of three consecutive missiles fired by an Israeli drone? Makeandtoss (talk) 14:07, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- Per the discussions at both Template:Did you know nominations/Killing of David Ben Avraham and Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Template:Did you know nominations/Killing of David Ben Avraham, it might not be a good idea to run the proposed hooks as currently written. Courtesy ping to 4meter4 regarding this matter. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:16, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think I can add anything more than what starship.paint and John Cummings have said. Any hook we run on this topic should be widely supported across a cross section of media, and be independently verified. Otherwise its likely to be challenged at Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors. We need a hook that won't get pulled. John made some good suggestions.4meter4 (talk) 02:29, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
@Makeandtoss, 4meter4, John Cummings, and Narutolovehinata5: I've hatted my objection above due to recent events: the IDF's admission, which I believe supports this hook: starship.paint (RUN) 02:54, 6 April 2024 (UTC)@FortunateSons: - forgot to ping. starship.paint (RUN) 02:58, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Starship.paint: Thanks for the ping, I agree that the objection is now out of date. FortunateSons (talk) 07:51, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
ALT2 ... that the Israel Defense Forces have accepted responsibility for killing seven World Central Kitchen aid workers in targeted drone strikes that destroyed the aid workers' cars, one by one? Source 1: Associated Press Source 2: CBS News Source 3: BBC News starship.paint (RUN) 02:54, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- I would be ok with this as long as there are no objections to featuring violent content at DYK. There has been some pushback of late against featuring potentially disturbing hooks. That said, this hook appears to have wide support in media, and is so widely reported I don’t think an argument for censoring would be successful.4meter4 (talk) 02:59, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Well, our main page constantly features potentially disturbing content, so I don't see why this can't be, either. Right now, our ITN section:
A severe earthquake strikes near Hualien City, Taiwan ... In Syria, an Israeli airstrike kills 16 people at the Iranian consulate in Damascus, including brigadier general Mohammad Reza Zahedi ... A bus falls from a bridge in Limpopo, South Africa, killing 45 people ... The Francis Scott Key Bridge in the U.S. city of Baltimore collapses after being hit by a container ship.
starship.paint (RUN) 06:08, 6 April 2024 (UTC)- DYK and ITN have different goals. In addition, the issues with IP hooks have never really been about violence but rather tone and POV. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:23, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- One might consider, is the problem Wikipedia's "tone and POV", or does the event inherently make one side look bad? I'd say the answer is provided by the BBC:
There are also moments, like the last few days in the Middle East, when events leave belligerents and their allies at a crossroads with big decisions to make ... The killing of foreign aid workers in Gaza might finally exhaust the considerable patience of Israel's allies, led by the United States.
and Reuters:the killing of a group of aid workers by an Israeli air strike summed up both the dire humanitarian crisis and the lack of a clear way out of a conflict that is leaving Israel increasingly isolated. The attack on Monday night that killed seven staff of the World Central Kitchen (WCK) aid group, including six foreigners, has angered even some of Israel's closest allies, adding to growing pressure for an end to the fighting.
starship.paint (RUN) 07:09, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- One might consider, is the problem Wikipedia's "tone and POV", or does the event inherently make one side look bad? I'd say the answer is provided by the BBC:
- DYK and ITN have different goals. In addition, the issues with IP hooks have never really been about violence but rather tone and POV. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:23, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Well, our main page constantly features potentially disturbing content, so I don't see why this can't be, either. Right now, our ITN section:
- I would be ok with this as long as there are no objections to featuring violent content at DYK. There has been some pushback of late against featuring potentially disturbing hooks. That said, this hook appears to have wide support in media, and is so widely reported I don’t think an argument for censoring would be successful.4meter4 (talk) 02:59, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Starship.paint: ALT2 doesn't really sound interesting, but more like a news headline; do you have any other alternatives? Makeandtoss (talk) 10:15, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Makeandtoss I don't think it's going to be possible to run a different kind of hook without being accused of trivializing the event. This would probably pull the hook into Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors. Optics for an event like this are going to force us to keep the main event front and center in the hook. As such I don't see there being any meaningfully different hooks passing DYK review. Alt2 is probably our best option.4meter4 (talk) 12:18, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- An admission to killing seven aid workers in targeted strikes ... not interesting?! It is no less interesting than the originally proposed hook, Makeandtoss. starship.paint (RUN) 12:51, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Starship.paint: @4meter4: If there is support for ALT2 then I would go for it. Makeandtoss (talk) 12:55, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Approving hook ALT2 per WP:CONSENSUS opinion. Article appears to be compliant with all DYK review criteria (newness, length, inline citations, NPOV, etc.) Hook fact is widely supported and independently verified in many sources. Promoter will need to check whether this gets featured at ITN. If it does, we can't feature it at DYK because it will have already been on the main page.4meter4 (talk) 13:02, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Not so fast. This article has been moved twice in the last 24 hours. It should probably stabilise first.--Launchballer 13:06, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
Not yet, the Israeli explanation of events hasn't been fully added to the article. I didn't have time to do it yesterday. But, I can probably add it now.starship.paint (RUN) 13:11, 6 April 2024 (UTC)- The article is stable and was moved without consensus. As for the Israeli explanation of events, its already in the article, the expansion of it doesn't affect moving forward with the DYK anyway. Makeandtoss (talk) 13:14, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Makeandtoss Page moves whether with or without consensus are a clear sign of instability. I would suggest not getting in a back and forth over issues like this, because if you argue its only likely to tank the DYK approval. @Launchballer I hear you, but from a DYK reviewer standpoint this is ready to go. There's nothing more on our checklist for the reviewer to do, and the nominee has done everything they need to do. Obviously, the promoter will need to evaluate stability because it is a current event. Due to the backlog there will be a natural signigicant delay anyway before this gets put into prep. I think it best that we leave it to the promoter to determine when its stable enough to move it into the queue. That's not something we need to worry about from the DYK evaluator standpoint. We can trust in the promoting admin to evaluate that. If it hangs out in the approved hook area for a while everything should be fine.4meter4 (talk) 13:20, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- @4meter4: There is no back and forth here; I reverted the latest page move because it was undiscussed and because multiple editors on the talk page agreed as well. The article is stable but one or two more days of waiting will not hurt as you said. Makeandtoss (talk) 13:31, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- No, Makeandtoss, the article's Israeli explanation is incomplete. This will become apparent when I add the content (I am writing it right now). starship.paint (RUN) 13:21, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Done. starship.paint (RUN) 13:34, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Approving hook ALT2 per WP:CONSENSUS opinion. Article appears to be compliant with all DYK review criteria (newness, length, inline citations, NPOV, etc.) Hook fact is widely supported and independently verified in many sources. Promoter will need to check whether this gets featured at ITN. If it does, we can't feature it at DYK because it will have already been on the main page.4meter4 (talk) 13:02, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Starship.paint: @4meter4: If there is support for ALT2 then I would go for it. Makeandtoss (talk) 12:55, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Both of you need to quit or I will have to pull the DYK tick. The article has had some instability issues as is typical of a current event. The article is likely to be edited heavily as new information is released. Any promoting admin will need to monitor the stability of the article before promoting. This means that if there are content disputes, edit wars, page moves, etc. the article will have to remain in the approved section until all that settles. I would suggest a minimum of two weeks of calm (ie no content reversions in the article's editing history, no arguments on the talk page, no page moves) before the article is featured at DYK. Best.4meter4 (talk) 13:46, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Given the concerns about stability above and the other issues, it probably wouldn't be safe to mark this as approved until at least a couple of weeks from now. Once the article has stabilized, it can probably be given a fresh look. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 22:24, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 3
Bayron Matos
- ... that the first English known by National Football League prospect Bayron Matos was "I'm hungry"? Source: USF (Matos speaks with swaggering confidence. It's a little different than his first few weeks in America. Upon arrival, he didn't know English and tried a few phrases through Google translator. The only thing he knew how to say was, "I'm hungry.")
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/pending
- Comment: Realized I'm two days late with this; requesting an extension per Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines. May want to wait until the draft (April 25-27) before promoting to see if he actually makes it to the league.
Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 159 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:53, 12 April 2024 (UTC).
- Somehow this is the oldest unreviewed nomination, so I'll take it. This is long enough, new enough. Hook short enough, interesting, and cited to South Florida Bulls' website. No maintenance templates found and no copyright complaints or neutrality concerns. You need two QPQs for this (and judging by T:TDYK, quite a few others); if you're genuinely struggling that badly, there's a pile at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Spare reviews for donating, and I suggest that you help yourself.--Launchballer 14:40, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Clean (2022 film)
... that 2022 Australian documentary film Clean, centered on the life of Sandra Pankhurst, was released after her passing?- ALT0a: ... that 2022 Australian documentary film Clean, centered on the life of Sandra Pankhurst, was released after her death?
- Reviewed: Cat Bird (video game)
- Comment: Happy for alt hooks
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 12 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.— MaxnaCarta ( 💬 • 📝 ) 09:01, 3 April 2024 (UTC).
- Everything looks to be in order, but I would like you to consider a slightly more interesting hook. I would encourage at least some detail as to know Sanda Pankhurst was and what the documentary's themes were. ~ Pbritti (talk) 17:21, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- How about "... that 2022 Australian documentary film Clean, centered on the life of Sandra Pankhurst (a former sex worker, drag queen, and crime scene cleaner), was released after her passing?". Dunno, I would be open to suggestions on how to improve it. I thought it was best to focus on one thing: the fact she died before her own film was released. This person was the epitome of interesting, but I don't want to bring too much into a short hook. Ideas? Pbritti — MaxnaCarta ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:11, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- You definitely can't put the word "passing" onto the main page as per MOS:EUPHEMISM. Schwede66 02:20, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- This is a very interesting documentary about a very interesting person. Thank you, MaxnaCarta (talk · contribs)! I made some copyedits to the article. Except for the citation requirement, the article meets DYK requirements. The "Synopsis" section is unsourced. If Sandra Pankhurst were still living, citations would be necessary to comply with WP:BLPSOURCES. But as she has been dead for at least two years, WP:BLP does not apply.
From Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Writing about fiction#Sourcing and quotations, "The plot summary for a work, on a page about that work, does not need to be sourced with in-line citations, as it is generally assumed that the work itself is the primary source for the plot summary." However, Clean is a documentary, not a work of fiction, so that guideline is not fully applicable. To err on the safe side, I recommend adding sources to that section so that there is no question that WP:DYKCITE is met. Sourcing is needed to comply with DYK guidelines since the information about her being "a former sex worker, drag queen, and crime scene cleaner" is not sourced in the article. WP:DYKCITE says, "The facts of the hook in the article should be cited no later than the end of the sentence in which they appear."
The lead contains information that is not sourced in the body of the article. For example, the release month in "Clean was released in Australia in June 2022" is unsourced. The sentence "It was nominated for two awards at the Australian Academy of Cinema and Television Arts Awards in 2022" is unsourced also. I recommend going through the lead to confirm that everything is sourced (or is mentioned in the body of the article and is sourced there).
Here is an alternative hook that tightens MaxnaCarta's proposed alternative and removes the euphemism:
... ALT1: that the posthumously released documentary Clean centered on the life of Sandra Pankhurst, a former sex worker, drag queen, and crime scene cleaner?
As I am proposing an alternative hook, Schwede66 or another reviewer will be needed to review the wording. Cunard (talk) 09:43, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- This is a very interesting documentary about a very interesting person. Thank you, MaxnaCarta (talk · contribs)! I made some copyedits to the article. Except for the citation requirement, the article meets DYK requirements. The "Synopsis" section is unsourced. If Sandra Pankhurst were still living, citations would be necessary to comply with WP:BLPSOURCES. But as she has been dead for at least two years, WP:BLP does not apply.
- You definitely can't put the word "passing" onto the main page as per MOS:EUPHEMISM. Schwede66 02:20, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
- How about "... that 2022 Australian documentary film Clean, centered on the life of Sandra Pankhurst (a former sex worker, drag queen, and crime scene cleaner), was released after her passing?". Dunno, I would be open to suggestions on how to improve it. I thought it was best to focus on one thing: the fact she died before her own film was released. This person was the epitome of interesting, but I don't want to bring too much into a short hook. Ideas? Pbritti — MaxnaCarta ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:11, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
Hook is sourced to the plot section, which technically doesn't need it per WP:PLOTCITE. I'm going to say that WP:DYKHFC overrides this and say that 'for the hook, you need a cite'.--Launchballer 09:57, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 4
Dick Harris (center)
- ... that Dick Harris was selected in the first round of the 1949 NFL draft, with the second pick of the 1949 AAFC draft, in the 1950 NFL draft, and in the 1951 NFL draft, but never played professionally? Source: Pro Football Archives (archived) (note that it says fourth overall for the AAFC but that's wrong, as you can see here)
- ALT1: ... that football player Dick Harris was selected in professional drafts four times, including twice as a first-round pick, but never played professionally? Source: same
- ALT2: ... that Dick Harris was a first-round NFL draft pick and was chosen in three other drafts but declined each offer so he could enter the oil business? Source: same + [11] (oil)
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/pending
- Comment: Realized I'm a day late in nominating this; requesting an extension per Wikipedia:Did you know/Guidelines. Prefer either ALT0 or ALT2; open to other ways of wording this as well.
Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 160 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:59, 12 April 2024 (UTC).
- Newly written, long enough, cited throughout. The ironically titled "Professional career" section details the four times that he was drafted, and yet didn't play professionally. I think I like ALT1 the best. ALT0 is a bit clunky. ALT2 is fine. QPQs are pending. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:21, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Mike Ross (Suits)
- ... that the Suits character Mike Ross was originally developed as a stockbroker and not a lawyer? Source: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/suits-originally-set-wall-street-205066/
- ALT1: ... that Mike Ross is played by Patrick J. Adams in America, Yuto Nakajima in Japan, and Park Hyung-sik in South Korea? Source: https://deadline.com/2018/08/suits-being-remade-by-japans-fuji-tv-after-nbc-universal-strikes-format-deal-1202438685/, https://www.chosun.com/english/kpop-culture-en/2017/09/25/Z7HRT5BZXEMXLLOXHEGDRRBIYE/, https://variety.com/2018/tv/news/suits-renewed-season-8-meghan-markle-without-patrick-j-adams-1202681820/
- ALT2: ... that Patrick J. Adams left his Suits role because he felt that his character arc was finished? Source: https://www.countryliving.com/life/entertainment/a45589090/why-did-patrick-j-adams-leave-suits/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Canadian Dental Care Plan
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 8 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:38, 6 April 2024 (UTC).
- Full review to follow, but I'd like to see more hook proposals before proceeding. I'm not that big of a fan of ALT0 as currently written as it requires reliance on familiarity with Suits, and ALT1 isn't really that interesting either. My suggestion would be to propose a hook or multiple hooks targeted towards those who may not know anything about the series. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:06, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
- Do you potentially have anything? Heres something sillier Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 04:26, 8 April 2024 (UTC):
- ALT2: ... that Patrick J. Adams did not want his Suits character to get shot? Source: https://www.countryliving.com/life/entertainment/a45589090/why-did-patrick-j-adams-leave-suits/
- Yes, that's a much better hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:52, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- I was about to continue the review, but I noticed that there are still several incomplete sentences or writing in the article. Multiple sentences in the article, for example the last sentence of the lede, are lacking periods and seem to be unfinished. The article does meet newness requirements at least so it should be eligible for further review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:10, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- @OlifanofmrTennant: Made a typo with the ping. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:10, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
Heike Heubach
- ... that Heike Heubach became the first deaf member of the German Bundestag? Source: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/ap-berlin-olaf-scholz-bundestag-bavaria-b2516308.html
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Oakland California Temple
- Comment: Historic first in Germany
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 7 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Moondragon21 (talk) 16:02, 5 April 2024 (UTC).
- Newly created article, long enough and sourced throughout, it appears to be written neutrally. Hook fact is interesting enough and sourced. The image is free to use, based on its license, and could be added to the nom. QPQ has been provided. There is some close paraphrasing in the following, please rewrite the italicized bits (also, I imagine there's a word missing at the end of "fixed place in the" and "As and when" is ungrammatical):
As a parliamentarian, Heubach will have a fixed place in the, unlike most other lawmakers, with interpreters sat close to interpret speeches and her questions. As and when she makes her own speeches, an interpreter with a microphone will have a place next to the Bundestag's stenographers to interpret her speeches to translate for other lawmakers to understand.
– Muboshgu (talk) 23:18, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
Pam Taylor
- ... that Pam Taylor's "Unknown Airman" in Plymouth Hoe (pictured), serves as a memorial to WWII RAF, Commonwealth and Allied Air Forces? Sources: https://artuk.org/discover/artists/taylor-pam-19292014 https://www.iwm.org.uk/memorials/item/memorial/25616 Windsor, Alan, ed. (2020p). "Pamela Taylor ARBS b.1929". British Sculptors of the Twentieth Century. Taylor & Francis. ISBN 9781000160529.
Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 24 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Bogger (talk) 10:39, 4 April 2024 (UTC).
- @Bogger and AtticTapestry: Needs more RS, the article has passing mentions and blog type sites as RS and they discuss the work not the person. Three sentences of the article are related to the person and they are supported with what looks like non-rs. I could not find much either...
- Here is a source
- Another source
- Another source
- These are only passing mentions which are more about the works not the person. I wonder if this article should be redirected to the artwork with the three sentences merged. Bruxton (talk) 21:39, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- Two QPQs are done, Earwig is 15% the hook is not very interesting but it is confirmed and in the article. Article is neutral and uses the correct inline citations. The UK has FOP for 3D so the image is ok. But again, this is really not an article about the artist so I am asking for another reviewer instead of rejecting the nomination. Bruxton (talk) 14:55, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
second opinion and full review needed. Bruxton (talk) 14:27, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
Gambling in Georgia
- ... that it will soon be illegal for government employees in Georgia to gamble? Source: "A new law, passed by parliament on December 22, forbids gambling for several classes of people, including those receiving government assistance, government workers, and anyone under 25." eurasianet
- Reviewed:
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Casablanca 🪨(T) 16:56, 4 April 2024 (UTC).
- Date, size (barely over stub, but good enough), refs, hook, copyvio spotcheck, all GTG. QPQs not needed. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 22:44, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- I moved a citation to support the hook in the article - it was needed end of sentence. Lightburst (talk) 22:15, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Piotrus and Casablanca Rock: Another issue is the source for the hook says, "In response to the criticism, the implementation of the law was postponed from January 1 to March 1." One of our rules is that the hook must have facts that are not likely to change WP:DYKHOOK. Was the law implemented on March 1? If so this article and hook will not be accurate. Also per WP:DYKCOMPLETE this article needs to be developed. Lightburst (talk) 22:25, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Lightburst, I will improve the sections as you've stated. The citation I had there was the best English language citation I could find, but there are more accurate Georgian language sources that explain more about the implementation of the law. It was delayed until June 1. The Georgian government released an update to the 2005 gambling law on the website of the legal corpus specifying the law going into effect on June 1. Sorry that this is a bit confusing, that previous article that has a lot of information about the law in English did not have the update of the law being delayed in implementation until June 1 instead of March 1. Please let me know if that source isn't good and I can try to find something else. There is an English language source that does mention the delayed implementation, but it is from a gambling industry news site. I cited it in the article itself, but I was not sure if that would be helpful/good for DYK. Casablanca 🪨(T) 14:36, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 5
AI-assisted targeting in the Gaza Strip
- ... that the Israel Defense Force uses an AI called the Gospel to suggest targets in its bombing of the Gaza Strip? Source: NPR "Other AI systems aggregate vast quantities of intelligence data and classify it. The final system is the Gospel, which makes a targeting recommendation to a human analyst. Those targets could be anything from individual fighters, to equipment like rocket launchers, or facilities such as Hamas command posts."
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- Comment: This article is somewhat over a week old. Apologies. WP:DYK says extensions are allowed so I'd like to ask for one. A company I'd recently purchased from was busted for skirting sanctions and making millions by equipping Russia during the invasion of Ukraine. Dealing with that kept me preoccupied for a while.
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Kizor 07:52, 15 April 2024 (UTC).
- Comment. The subject of this article was originally covered as a one-paragraph, 104-word section of another article. I slowly expanded it until it was ready to be a standalone article and at risk of overtaking the rest of the parent article in length, then split it. I'm not familiar with the customs of DYK, so if this doesn't qualify either as new (it's new if we count from the moment of the split) or as fivefold expansion (the article's prose size is well over five times what it was if we don't count from the moment of the split) I'll be baffled, but them's the breaks. --Kizor 10:53, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Joe Gray (American football)
- ... that football player Joe Gray was nicknamed the "Gray Ghost" because when running, "it was like he wasn't there anymore"? Source: Statesman Journal
- ALT1: ... that the Gray Ghost could "pass anything from a milk bottle to a watermelon"? Source: The Oakland Post Enquirer
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/pending
- Comment: ALT1 might make a decent quirky hook.
Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 161 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:05, 12 April 2024 (UTC).
- Article passes creation and length requirements, both hooks work and contain a source. The article itself is adequately sourced, I would suggest changing "Portland, Oregon" to just "Portland" in the sentence "He moved to Portland, Oregon, when he was young." due to the state already being specified in the previous sentence, but the sentence itself may be an issue with its similarity to the source, not sure though. QPQs need to be finished, feel free to let me know once they are. Thanks! B3251 (talk) 20:58, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
Axel Downard-Wilke
- ... that in a co-incidence at the 2024 Auckland Wikicon, Axel Downard-Wilke (pictured) was presenting about the Wikipedia home page while he was featured in a video showing in the Did you know section? Source: Putting NZ onto WP's main page [12]
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Apocalypse Clown
- Comment: Sourcing is a combination of the presentation slides at the Wikicon, and the image depicting the co-incidence
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Marshelec (talk) 04:03, 7 April 2024 (UTC).
- Not "recent", per WP:DYKHOOK: "The hook should include a definite fact that is unlikely to change". Try "March 2024" instead. Otherwise, nice article (although I'm not quite sure how comfortable I am actually reviewing this, given I'm the one that put the hook there!)--Launchballer 08:31, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Full review needed.--Launchballer 08:51, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, I'm really sorry to be so anal about this, but there is an outside chance there could be more than one this year, so it should really give the month.--Launchballer 09:21, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- I understand the requirement, and could add the month, but in this case I believe the year is sufficient. As a member of the affiliate that organised the Wikicon, I know that this was the annual Wikicon - ie the only one for 2024. The next one is planned to be in Christchurch in 2025. See m:wiki/Wikimedia_Aotearoa_New_Zealand#Activity:_Annual_National_WikiConference for verification.Marshelec (talk) 06:38, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, I'm really sorry to be so anal about this, but there is an outside chance there could be more than one this year, so it should really give the month.--Launchballer 09:21, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- Full review needed.--Launchballer 08:51, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
- As noted above, full review needed. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:52, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 6
On the German Republic
- ... that Thomas Mann insisted on omitting a passage on homoeroticism in the English translation of his work "On the German Republic"? Source: * Rainey, Lawrence Scott (2007). "Introduction to Thomas Mann, 'On the German Republic'". Modernism/modernity. 14 (1): 99–105. doi:10.1353/mod.2007.0022. ISSN 1080-6601. ("Mann himself who insisted, in 1942 when the essay was translated into English, that its most explicit and extended passage concerning male love be suppressed.")
- Reviewed: to follow
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 21 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.WatkynBassett (talk) 13:08, 14 April 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on April 7
Mad honey
... that honey mad (giant) make bees pictured?- ALT1:
... that (make) bees pictured giant honey mad? - ALT2: ... that hallucinogenic honey (pictured) was used as a biological weapon over 2000 years ago? Source: "The use of mad honey as a 'biological weapon' was first described in 401 BC by the Athenian historian and army commander Xenophon..."
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Rosa Laviña
- Comment: Hook created under the influence of mad honey.
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Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 114 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.gobonobo + c 07:21, 14 April 2024 (UTC).
- To be honest, I really don't understand the main hook or ALT1. Why are "giant" and "make" in italics? It kind of looks like the word order got scrambled.
Pinging Gobonobo in case this is an accident that passed unnoticed.Oh , my bad, it's a joke, I didn't read the comment. But given that users reading the hook won't have the privilege of seeing the comment, this should probably be tagged with [Humor]. Cremastra (talk) 20:19, 15 April 2024 (UTC)- Full review needed. Striking both original hook and ALT1; parentheses are not allowed as part of hooks (except for "pictured" and the like). BlueMoonset (talk) 03:44, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Classy 101
- ... that the Puerto Rican singer Young Miko initially composed "Classy 101" in Los Angeles and met the Colombian singer Feid by surprise there? Source: Antena3
- Reviewed:
- Comment: I'm not sure if this is an interesting fact, but at least I'm trying.
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Santi (talk) 21:25, 11 April 2024 (UTC).
- Not a review, and I do my QPQs oldest first so I wouldn't get to this any time soon; you should consider integrating where Miko and Feid are from into the hook for interest purposes. Los Angeles is pretty big, it's not unusual for two people to meet there.--Launchballer 21:34, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks for at least suggesting something, I'm a little nervous. I have already incorporated the suggested information; If another source is required, I will put it in, but at the moment I won't because DYKs usually only have one. I don't know if it's appropriate, but I hope you can move forward and get the help you need to find the healing you so desperately seek. I wish you success in everything you do, because I see that you are very good. Santi (talk) 21:17, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks. I would suggest something like ALT1: ... that the Puerto Rican singer Young Miko featured the Colombian singer Feid on her single "Classy 101" after a chance meeting in Los Angeles?--Launchballer 16:22, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
- OK. I have no more suggestions. So, I'll wait for another review (the template you used points that out) to improve. Anyway, thanks for reviewing and clarifying the process. Santi (talk) 18:51, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Lewis W. Green
- ... that Lewis W. Green (pictured) was one of two members of the first graduating class of Centre College and was later its president? Source: https://sc.centre.edu/ency/g/green.html
- Reviewed: [[]]
Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 76 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 16:32, 7 April 2024 (UTC).
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Overall: @PCN02WPS: Nice work on this article. The copyvio detector highlighted a few phrases, but they seem to be proper names or common phrases. Everything else checks out policy-wise. Just waiting on the 2 QPQs. Epicgenius (talk) 17:54, 8 April 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 8
George Henry Jenkins
- ... that George Jenkins (pictured) was described in 1901 as "the happiest, proudest, most important and most worried individual" in Australia, but 90 years later as "a lazy, dictatorial, unctuous opportunist"? Source: Both quoted in https://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/jenkins-sir-george-henry-28235
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Nadezhda Stasova
- Comment: Mainly nominating because of the striking facial hair.
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 21 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.ITBF (talk) 11:58, 15 April 2024 (UTC).
YouTube Rewind 2018: Everyone Controls Rewind
- ... that YouTube Rewind 2018: Everyone Controls Rewind was considered by featured YouTuber Marques Brownlee to be a "giant ad for YouTube"?
- ALT1: ... that former YouTube CEO Susan Wojcicki's children thought that YouTube Rewind 2018: Everyone Controls Rewind was "cringey"? Source: https://www.engadget.com/2019/02/05/youtube-ceo-susan-wojcicki-creator-letter-rewind-2018/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Dora and the Fantastical Creatures, Template:Did you know nominations/Carabus japonicus and Template:Did you know nominations/Reinforcement learning from human feedback
- Comment: I am currently reviewing another DYK nomination.
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Davest3r08 >:3 (talk) 16:39, 8 April 2024 (UTC).
- Comment I am not reviewing this but I believe that this nomination should be failed as a QPQ is not done at nomination time. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 04:49, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- @OlifanofmrTennant: Ideally, a QPQ is done within the prescribed period of one week from the date of nomination, but WP:QPQ says it can be done before or after nomination as long as it's linked to its nom page and nominator has been duly informed that QPQ is needed upon a full review. Nineteen Ninety-Four guy (talk) 05:07, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- I wouldn't use ALT1 for BLP reasons. Might I suggest a hook relating to it being the most disliked video of all time?--Launchballer 14:37, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- Launchballer, go ahead. Davest3r08 >:3 (talk) 15:18, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that within a week of upload, YouTube Rewind 2018: Everyone Controls Rewind had become the platform's most-disliked video of all time?--Launchballer 15:24, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- That works. Davest3r08 >:3 (talk) 16:25, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
- ALT2: ... that within a week of upload, YouTube Rewind 2018: Everyone Controls Rewind had become the platform's most-disliked video of all time?--Launchballer 15:24, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 9
Elvio Porcel de Peralta
- ... that after receiving his record 97th ejection, footballer Elvio Porcel de Peralta went to the referee and punched him? Source: several, e.g. references 2, 5, 6, 7 and 8 in the article
- ALT1: ... that footballer Elvio Porcel de Peralta received a record 97 ejections in his career? Source: same
- ALT2: ... that after receiving his record 97th ejection, footballer Elvio Porcel de Peralta attacked the referee and knocked him to the ground with a punch? Source: same
- ALT3: ... that footballer Elvio Porcel de Peralta was ejected a record 97 times during his career, and after the final one attacked the referee and received a lifetime ban? Source: same
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/pending
- Comment: Seems there's several ways of wording this; open to any suggestions to make the hook as "hooky" as possible :)
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 162 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:13, 16 April 2024 (UTC).
Joanne McCarthy (basketball)
- ... that sisters Joanne, Lynette, Amy and Jenny McCarthy were all gymnasts and bowlers? Source: https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1998-10-25-9810240023-story.html
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/David Raymond
- Comment: Final of 9 QPQs for this nomination.
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 364 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:19, 16 April 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on April 10
Red Brown (politician)
- ... that John "Red" Brown had the shortest term as Speaker of the Texas House of Representatives, serving for only seven days? Source: Research Division of the Texas Legislative Council. "Presiding Officers of the Texas Legislature 1846–2016" (PDF). Legislative Reference Library of Texas. Texas Legislative Council. pp. 104–105.
- ALT1: ... that John "Red" Brown founded the oldest town in Henderson County, Texas, near the town of Old Normandy? Source: Hudson, Linda Elaine Sybert (November 1, 1994). "Brown, John [Red] (ca 1786–1852)". The Handbook of Texas Online. Texas State Historical Association. Retrieved April 10, 2024.
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Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Aneirinn (talk) 23:55, 15 April 2024 (UTC).
- General eligibility:
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Overall: The article was not 5x expanded. It was 1534 prose characters pre-expansion and is currently at 3027 prose characters. This nomination could pass if the article is further expanded. Also, the source for ALT0 doesn't mention that this was the shortest Texas speaker term, just that his term was 7 days. There could be a second source added to provide all the information. Copyvio check fine. No QPQ required. ALT0 is more interesting in my opinion. Riley1012 (talk) 00:14, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Emerald Archer (Arrow episode)
- ... that Arrow's 150th episode is a mockumentary? Source: https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a25951973/arrow-150th-episode-major-twist-guest-appearance/
- ALT1: ... that many former cast members returned for Arrow's 150th episode? Source: https://comicbook.com/dc/news/arrow-recap-emerald-archer/
- ALT2: ... that Kelsey Grammer narrates Arrow's 150th episode? Source: https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a25951973/arrow-150th-episode-major-twist-guest-appearance/
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Attica (1974 film)
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 05:12, 10 April 2024 (UTC).
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Articles created/expanded on April 11
Articles created/expanded on April 12
Napier Technical College (New Zealand)
- ... that after the 1931 Hawke's Bay earthquake destroyed Napier Technical College, it was disestablished and amalgamated into its rivals? Source: https://historicplacesaotearoa.org.nz/assets/HPHB-NEWSLETTER-1-May-2014.pdf
- Reviewed: TODO
Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 37 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.—Panamitsu (talk) 10:58, 12 April 2024 (UTC).
- Length, date, hook ref, close paraphrase check ok. Needs 2 QPQ though. --Soman (talk) 11:42, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 13
Regine Rocks
- ... that it was music director Raul Mitra who wanted Regine Velasquez to do an all-rock genre concert? Source: "Sabi, dream project pala ito ng bayaw at musical director ni Regine na si Raul Mitra at matagal na raw nilang gustong gawin ito" (in Tagalog) Translation: The concert was a dream project that brother-in-law and music director Raul Mitra had long-desired for Regine Velasquez
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 35 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Pseud 14 (talk) 19:37, 16 April 2024 (UTC).
Le Moniteur Acadien
- ... that the first Acadian newspaper, Le Moniteur Acadien, was acquired in 2023 for just CA$1? Source: https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/acadian-literature - acquired source (french): https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1950689/radio-beausejour-moniteur-acadien-achat
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 7 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.B3251 (talk) 21:28, 13 April 2024 (UTC).
Article is new enough, hook is properly sourced and interesting. Earwig did not detect any copyvios. Waiting for QPQ to be satisfied. Davest3r08 >:3 (talk) 00:58, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Toy Town
- ... that Bonkers exists because of the "cult" success of "Toy Town"? Source: Hodgson, Jaimie (20 July 2021). "'Why Don't We All Go Bonkers?' – The Rise and Fall of Happy Hardcore". Vice. Archived from the original on 1 February 2023. Retrieved 13 April 2024.
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 8 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.ResonantDistortion 19:39, 13 April 2024 (UTC).
- Unless the reader is familiar with Bonkers (and I doubt most of our readership is), the hook is not easy to understand, let alone catchy. I understand if the intention is "the hook is vague on purpose to encourage readers to click", but with the current wording it might just confuse rather than entice readers. Pinging Launchballer for possible hook suggestions given they're familiar with music articles and hooks. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:53, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- ALT1: ... that "Toy Town" "almost destroyed" the happy hardcore scene, according to MC Magika?
- ALT2: ... that the BBC Radio 1 DJ Kutski described the Hixxy and DJ Sharkey song "Toy Town" as "the definition of the UK hardcore sound"?--Launchballer 11:22, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you for the feedback Narutolovehinata5 and for the suggestions Launchballer. I did have a concern the initial proposed hook weas a bit too vague. I personally like Launchballers ALT1. ResonantDistortion 11:58, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
The Ugly Black Bird
- ... that The Ugly Black Bird, a Polish book that successfully discredited the autobiographical value of Kosiński's The Painted Bird, initially received mostly very negative reviews? Source: https://brill.com/display/book/9789004521926/BP000009.xml for the first claim (discredited); https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1994/10/10/kosinskis-war and https://books.google.co.kr/books?id=Gm1vEAAAQBAJ&pg=PA284&dq=%22Czarny+ptasior%22&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjJ87Hz7seEAxVtZfUHHaVNAPUQ6AF6BAgMEAI#v=onepage&q=%22Czarny%20ptasior%22&f=false for the latter (negative reviews)
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 506 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 14:51, 13 April 2024 (UTC).
Mabe Fratti
- ... that Mabe Fratti's contemporary avant-garde music was inspired by composer György Ligeti? Source: https://pitchfork.com/features/profile/chasing-the-goblin-with-mabe-fratti-the-guatemalan-cellist-at-the-heart-of-mexico-city-avant-rock-scene/
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Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Battleofalma (talk) 06:37, 13 April 2024 (UTC).
- There are currently two major issues with the article. The first is that it is only 695 characters long, far below the 1500 character requirement. The second is that the hook does not meet WP:DYKINT; the hook is unlikely to be perceived as interesting to those who lack background in the subject. If the reader does not know who Ligeti is (for the record, I had never heard of him before this review), they wouldn't find the hook interesting or get the point. I'd suggest expanding the article further, above 1500 characters, and see if alternative hooks can be proposed. If you need help, I would suggest asking help from 4meter4 as he is knowledgeable about music articles. For the record, the first paragraph of the article is unreferenced, so that needs to be fixed. No close paraphrasing has been found, and the nominator has less than five nominations so no QPQ is needed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 10:18, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, I have expanded the article. Sorry I thought the hook was interesting but I suppose a more accessible hook is that Fratti, as a professional musician, still uses the same cello she was given by her school nearly twenty years later.Battleofalma (talk) 20:52, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
Brandy Hellville & the Cult of Fast Fashion
- ... that according to Brandy Hellville, executives at Brandy Melville have sometimes bought the clothes employees are wearing so the brand can copy and manufacture them?
- ALT1: ... that according to Brandy Hellville, executives at Brandy Melville have bought the clothes off of employees' backs?
- ALT2: ... that according to Brandy Hellville, the founder of Brandy Melville has sometimes become upset after discussing politics with young female employees who support Bernie Sanders?
- ALT3: ... that Brandy Hellville & the Cult of Fast Fashion ends by requesting that its viewers boycott Brandy Melville?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/pending
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 81 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.ezlev (user/tlk/ctrbs) 01:30, 13 April 2024 (UTC).
Thomas Figures, Michael Figures
- ... that Thomas Figures prosecuted the Ku Klux Klan and Michael Figures bankrupted it?
- ALT1: ... that Thomas Figures prosecuted two members of the Ku Klux Klan for murder and Michael Figures bankrupted their organization in a civil lawsuit?
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Rost (Tashkent newspaper) and one more coming
- Comment: These hooks pertain to the lynching of Michael Donald, where assistant district attorney Thomas Figures secured two murder convictions and state senator and attorney Michael Figures (along with Morris Dees) litigated a civil suit that bankrupted the United Klans of America. Thomas is a new article but Michael is a 5x expansion.
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 529 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.– Muboshgu (talk) 00:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC). Both articles:
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- Other problems: - I would go with ALT1. ALT0 might cause issues at WP:ERRORS because technically it was only two KKK members who were prosecuted, not the whole group.
QPQ: - 1 remaining
Overall: @Muboshgu: Nice work. Everything looks good except for the QPQ. Epicgenius (talk) 14:10, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
- Epicgenius, it's harder to do reviews now with backlog mode. I've started the review on Template:Did you know nominations/Dick Harris (center) to complete the QPQ. ALT0 is more fun, but less, uh, precise. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:24, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 14
Cosmic Ray (film)
- ... that Bruce Conner's Cosmic Ray is the first short film to use a pop song as its entire soundtrack? Source: Fanvids: Television, Women, and Home Media Re-Use: "Bruce Conner's Cosmic Ray (1961) was the first short film to use a pop song as its soundtrack over silenced clips"
- Reviewed: [[]]
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 39 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.hinnk (talk) 00:33, 15 April 2024 (UTC).
- (Not a review) It looks like the book is specifically saying that it's the first short film to put a pop song over "silenced clips" (found footage?), not that it was the first short film ever to have a pop song as its entire soundtrack. The latter definition covers an awful lot of musical short films going back to the 1920s. DigitalIceAge (talk) 03:17, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Philomena Franz
- ... that after deportation to Auschwitz, internment in Ravensbrück, escape from a camp near Wittenberge and concealment by a farmer, Romani holocaust survivor Philomena Franz became a writer? Source: https://www.romarchive.eu/en/collection/p/philomena-franz/
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 94 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Lajmmoore (talk) 16:30, 14 April 2024 (UTC).
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- Adequate sourcing: - The last paragraph is cited to IMDb, which per WP:IMDB should generally be avoided in favour of other citations.
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Overall: I would prefer more links and would suggest moving the bold link closer to the start of the sentence, but those are optional Lajmmoore. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:13, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Cora Babbitt Johnson
- ... that early environmentalists almost prevented the carving of Mount Rushmore? Source: Smith, Rex Alan (January 1, 1985). The Carving of Mount Rushmore. New York City: Abbeville Press. pp. chapter 2 and chapter 5; Fite, Gilbert Courtland (1952). Mount Rushmore. Internet Archive. Norman : University of Oklahoma Press; Merritt, Riley (2024-04-01). "Borglum's Horse Flies: The Early Opposition to Mount Rushmore". Honors College Theses.
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Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Borg Axoim (talk) 16:27, 14 April 2024 (UTC).
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- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
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QPQ: Done. |
Overall: The nominated article has one paragraph without a citation. The uncited paragraph could be supported in part by pages 11 and 121 of Mount Rushmore by Gilbert C. Fite, it talks about the Hot Springs Star's editorial stance. https://archive.org/details/mountrushmore00univ/page/121 I also suggest that an alternate wording like "that early environmentalists like Cora Babbitt Johnson almost prevented..." rather than the current wording.
Democratic Yemeni Union of Peasants
- ... that the role of the Democratic Yemeni Union of Peasants (1986 congress pictured) was enshrined in the 1978 Constitution of South Yemen? Source: Albert P. Blaustein, Gisbert H. Flanz. Constitutions of the Countries of the World: Yemen. Oceana Publications, 1986. p. 21
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 377 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Soman (talk) 15:45, 14 April 2024 (UTC).
- Comment. Hi User:Soman - thanks for your work on the article. Any idea about the ultimate fate of the organisation – did it last until Yemeni unification in 1990? ITBF (talk) 10:42, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- I can't find anything definitive, I would have presumed its history ended with unification in 1990. Unlike youth organization and trade unions that continued post unification, it appears that Afid was comparatively weaker and would not have endured without state patronage. But looking here https://www.adengad.net/news/693324 and https://www.addalinews.com/Print/16352 there are mentions of a Peasants Union in the Southern movement... unsure if there is any organizational connection. For the purpose of this article I think we can end the article history with 1990 for now, though. --Soman (talk) 11:10, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- Looking at https://www.yafa.news/archives/9941 , it seems there is no direct link between Afid 1976-1990 and the present-day Union of Southern Peasants. --Soman (talk) 11:14, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
- I can't find anything definitive, I would have presumed its history ended with unification in 1990. Unlike youth organization and trade unions that continued post unification, it appears that Afid was comparatively weaker and would not have endured without state patronage. But looking here https://www.adengad.net/news/693324 and https://www.addalinews.com/Print/16352 there are mentions of a Peasants Union in the Southern movement... unsure if there is any organizational connection. For the purpose of this article I think we can end the article history with 1990 for now, though. --Soman (talk) 11:10, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Nighat Arif
- ... that BBC Breakfast's resident doctor Nighat Arif made her first television appearance while on maternity leave? Source: https://www.oxmag.co.uk/articles/you-will-see-the-doctor-now-star-of-social-and-mainstream-media-dr-nighat-arif/
- ALT1: ... that the i suggested that Nighat Arif's 2023 medical guide contained the first published images of lichen sclerosus on non-white skin? Source: https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/meet-british-muslim-gp-discuss-vaginal-dryness-living-room-2521464
- ALT2: ... that BBC Breakfast's resident doctor Nighat Arif has advocated giving more women vibrators, on the grounds that orgasms help pelvic floor muscles, lower blood pressure, and release endorphins? Source: per ALT1
- ALT2a: ... that BBC Breakfast's resident doctor Nighat Arif has advocated giving more women vibrators for medical reasons?
- Reviewed:
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 216 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Launchballer 12:46, 14 April 2024 (UTC).
- I've simplified ALT2 to make it snappier; see ALT2a. If you like it, I suggest you amend the article to use the phrase "medical reasons (which really is just a summary of your longer hook). Schwede66 18:48, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 15
Charlize Mörz
- ... that in 2024, Charlize Mörz became the first Austrian female gymnast to win a gold medal in the FIG World Cup series? Source: International Gymnast Magazine, DerStandard (in German)
- ALT1: ... that 2024 Olympic gymnastics qualifier Charlize Mörz's father, Michael Mörz, is a former professional footballer? Source: International Gymnast Magazine
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Red Brown (politician)
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 27 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Riley1012 (talk) 00:23, 18 April 2024 (UTC).
Roman roads in Judaea
- ... that Roman roads in Judaea were used to roam the land? Source: Did you know that some Roman roads in Judea are still in use to this day?
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Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Owenglyndur (talk) 07:41, 17 April 2024 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy compliance:
- Adequate sourcing: - There are several parts of the article that don't have inline citations, including some whole sections.
- Neutral:
- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Hook eligibility:
- Cited: - Source not provided for the hook, the "source" appears to be an alternate hook?
- Interesting: - That roads were used to roam the land is... obvious, not remotely interesting. That Roman roads are still used today is more interesting, but needs a source to support such a hook. The section "Roads in use today", contains no sources at all.
QPQ: None required. |
Overall: This nomination still needs work. As it's your first nomination, I'm happy to give you time to improve this. But, at minimum, you need to settle on an interesting hook with a reliable source that you can clearly cite for it. Unsourced sections need to either be removed, or reliable sources cited inline with them. Grnrchst (talk) 13:43, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
Estoppey D-series
- ... that the Army Air Corps were so unimpressed by the Estoppey D-8 that one member stated he would rather use nails and a wire? Source: McFarland, 141
- Reviewed:
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 196 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Maury Markowitz (talk) 23:28, 15 April 2024 (UTC).
Stonewall Inn
- ... that names in the Stonewall Inn's visitor logbook included Donald Duck, Elizabeth Taylor, and Judy Garland? Source: Carter, David (2004). Stonewall: The Riots that Sparked the Gay Revolution. St. Martin's Press. pp. 69-70.
- ALT1: ... that after the original Stonewall Inn closed in 1969, its space was used by a bagel shop, Chinese restaurant, and clothing store? Source: Multiple, see article
- ALT2: ... that the Stonewall Inn may have been named after a lesbian autobiography? Source: Wang, Hansi Lo (May 30, 2016). "Long A Symbol, Stonewall Inn May Soon Become Monument To LGBT Rights". NPR.
- ALT3: ... that the Stonewall Inn was originally two horse stables? Source: Stonewall (Report). National Register of Historic Places, National Park Service. February 16, 2000. p. 10.
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/
- Comment: QPQ pending, more hooks to come. I also know that this is unlikely to happen, but can I request that this run on June 28 (the first full day of the Stonewall riots)?
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 650 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Epicgenius (talk) 12:21, 15 April 2024 (UTC).
- Ooh, Stonewall! Article eligibility and condition checks out, became a good article a few days ago. I like the ALT0 here best, though I would suggest linking those names. Assuming good faith on the sourcing. Obviously, going to have to wait til the QPQ is resolved to officially check this off. And I think June 28 would be a wonderful day for this hook. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 06:18, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
Articles created/expanded on April 16
The Strange Death of Captain America
- ... that writer and artist Jim Steranko was given authorship of "The Strange Death of Captain America" in part to resolve a dispute between himself Stan Lee? Source: Captain America: Penguin Classics Marvel Collection
- ALT1: ... that in developing the story arc "The Strange Death of Captain America", author Jim Steranko sought to reestablish what he saw as the formula that has made Captain America "a cultural icon"? Source: Captain America: Penguin Classics Marvel Collection
- ALT2: ... that the final centerspread of "The Strange Death of Captain America" was penciled, inked, lettered, and colored by Jim Steranko, making it the first Marvel spread to be drawn fully by one person? Source: Captain America: Penguin Classics Marvel Collection
- Reviewed: Joseph Déjacque
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 163 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Morgan695 (talk) 22:26, 16 April 2024 (UTC).
Simone Murphy
- ... that prior to embarking on a music career during the pandemic, the DJ Sim0ne placed fifth on the eleventh series of Britain's Next Top Model in 2017? Source: https://theface.com/music/dua-lipa-illusion-review-playlist-ken-carson-simone
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Killing of David Ben Avraham
- Comment: I cleared out a bunch of BLP violations for this just over a week ago, and then 5x'd from that this afternoon. I have not managed to 5x this from the 'bad' version, and I don't think I'll be able to, so I humbly request IAR approval (and if not, this is at GA anyway, so I'll just bring it back later).
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 219 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Launchballer 15:53, 16 April 2024 (UTC).
Global dimming
- ... that sulfate pollution causes cooling through global dimming which is comparable to warming from methane, and air quality measures often accelerate climate change if they do not act on both? Source: [1][2][3]
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Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.InformationToKnowledge (talk) 08:06, 16 April 2024 (UTC).
- Not a review, and I do my QPQs oldest first so would not get to this any time soon (but would not object to any other editor jumping in ahead of me); if I saw that hook in prep, I'd truncate it at "methane" per WP:DYKTRIM.--Launchballer 20:45, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ Wild, M.; Ohmura, A.; Makowski, K. (2007). "Impact of global dimming and brightening on global warming". Geophysical Research Letters. 34 (4): L04702. Bibcode:2007GeoRL..34.4702W. doi:10.1029/2006GL028031.
- ^ Hausfather, Zeke (29 April 2021). "Explainer: Will global warming 'stop' as soon as net-zero emissions are reached?". Carbon Brief. Retrieved 3 March 2023.
- ^ Hassan, Taufiq; Allen, Robert J.; et al. (27 June 2022). "Air quality improvements are projected to weaken the Atlantic meridional overturning circulation through radiative forcing effects". Communications Earth & Environment. 3 (3): 149. Bibcode:2022ComEE...3..149H. doi:10.1038/s43247-022-00476-9. S2CID 250077615.
Articles created/expanded on April 17
Vanna Venturi House
- ... that the first post-modern building was at first designed like it was 'giving the finger'? Source: Thus the house is a direct break from Modern architecture, designed in order to disrupt and contradict formal Modernist aesthetics.[14] More simply, Venturi demonstrated his intentions by figuratively giving the finger to the Modernist establishment.
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Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.TheNk22 (talk) 23:07, 17 April 2024 (UTC).
1901 Boston Marathon
- ... that Ronald McDonald (pictured) was allegedly drugged with chloroform during the 1901 Boston Marathon, sabotaging his race? Source: DRUGGED IN MARATHON RACE, RUNNER SAYS HE WAS DRUGGED
- ALT1: ... that a young man with "bad odor" entered behind the 1901 Boston Marathon leader just before the finish, fooling the thousands of spectators? Source: PEERLESS RUNNER. Continued from the First Page
- ALT2: ... that hundreds of bicyclists, automobiles, motor carriages, equipages, equestrians and children flooded the 1901 Boston Marathon streets, forcing runners to detour? Source: PEERLESS RUNNER. Continued from the First Page
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- Comment: The third hook may be used with this drawing of the race: File:1901 Boston Marathon graphic (mounted police clearing the way through crowd).jpg. Open to any improvements, thanks!
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Habst (talk) 20:44, 17 April 2024 (UTC).
Azahriah
- ... that 22-year-old singer Azahriah is the first Hungarian artist to sell out Puskás Arena three consecutive times? Source: "Május 24–25–26-án Azahriah magyarként egyedülálló módon háromszor is megtölti a Puskás Arénát, ezzel pedig beírja magát a hazai zenetörténetbe." (Trans: Unparalleled, Azahriah will fill Puskás Arena three times, on 24, 25 and 25 May, writing himself into Hungarian music history). https://www.vg.hu/extra/2024/01/egyetlen-fellepese-lesz-azahriah-nak-a-tripla-puskas-koncert-elott-sopronban-talalkozhatnak-a-sztarral-a-rajongok
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- Comment: Significantly expanded from mere stub, based on Huwiki article, with sources.
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Xia talk to me 18:48, 17 April 2024 (UTC).
Skyrocket Galaxy
- ... that the Skyrocket Galaxy (pictured) has been described as "July 4th fireworks" by NASA? Source: https://science.nasa.gov/missions/hubble/hubble-reveals-stellar-fireworks-in-a-skyrocket-galaxy/
- ALT1: ... that the Skyrocket Galaxy (pictured) has been described as looking like "a July 4th skyrocket" by NASA? Source: https://science.nasa.gov/missions/hubble/hubble-reveals-stellar-fireworks-in-a-skyrocket-galaxy/
- Reviewed:
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.MemeGod ._. (talk) 17:44, 17 April 2024 (UTC).
- Comment: I'm not really a creator of this article, I just reviewed it and added a few potential references that could help expand it in the future. Anyway, hope the firework gets the picture slot! Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 17:54, 17 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comments by Tbhotch
General eligibility:
- New enough:
- Long enough:
- Other problems:
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- Adequate sourcing: - See below
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- Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
- Other problems: - See below
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Overall: (CC) Tbhotch™ 07:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
A new article that is barely long enough. The hook is interesting so is the galaxy's shape. QPQ unrequired and there are no copyright issues with the online sources. However, there are sourcing issues. The lead includes multiple statements that are not present in the body of the article or that the source that is supposed to cite them doesn't mention them.
- It has an elongated and flattened shape, with a maximum diameter that extends for approximately 2,700 light years.
- The new stars are distributed in about ten groups and have a mass corresponding to about one million solar masses.
- The starburst is believed to have begun approximately one million years ago following the galaxies' encounter with a filament of intergalactic gas.
After that, the following statements lack an inline source:
- "It has also been informally called the Rocket Galaxy or the Firework Galaxy due to its "trail" structure and brightness at the head."
- "The Skyrocket Galaxy was discovered in 2004 using the Hubble Space Telescope, and was further observed in February and July of 2015 with the Wide Field Camera 3. Further research is ongoing by the European Space Agency."
Additionally, and not part of the DYK review, the article should probably be called Kiso 5639 instead since "Skyrocket Galaxy" is just a nickname and the present sources prefer the former, including NASA. (CC) Tbhotch™ 07:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Crosby-Schøyen Codex MS 193
- ... that the oldest complete version of the Book of Jonah and 1 Peter was from 3rd century codex discovered in Egypt in 1952? Source: https://www.schoyencollection.com/bible-collection-foreword/coptic-bible/crosby-schoyen-codex-ms-193
- ALT1: ... that the 3rd century Crosby-Schøyen Codex is the world's oldest privately owned book? Source: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/an-ancient-egyptian-bookone-of-the-worlds-oldestmay-sell-for-38-million-180984111/
- ALT2: ... that the Crosby-Schøyen Codex was used to celebrate the earliest Easter celebrations? Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68734783
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jan Klán
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.NeverBeGameOver (talk) 02:49, 17 April 2024 (UTC).
Articles created/expanded on April 18
Zapad 2009
- ... that Russian and Belarussian Zapad 2009 military exercise about repelling a NATO attack might have included simulation of nuclear strikes? Source: http://css.ethz.ch/en/services/digital-library/articles/article.html/109702 or https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/6480227/Russia-simulates-nuclear-attack-on-Poland.html
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 507 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:11, 18 April 2024 (UTC).
Antimonumento 5J
- ... that the Antimonumento 5J (pictured) was installed to commemorate police repression during a protest in response to Giovanni López's arrest four years ago today and his subsequent death? Source: Milenio[13]: "se realizó un acto de memoria pacífica donde también se develó un antimonumento con el objetivo de no olvidar los actos de opresión que ejercieron las autoridades de seguridad pública en contra de ciudadanos manifestantes durante el 4, 5 y 6 de junio del 2020, protestas que se realizaron en torno al asesinato de Giovanni López a manos de policías municipales de Ixtlahuacán de los Membrillos." (Translation: "an act of peaceful remembrance was held where an anti-monument was also unveiled with the objective of not forgetting the acts of oppression exercised by public security authorities against protesting citizens during 4, 5 and 6 June 2020, protests that took place around the murder of Giovanni López at the hands of municipal police officers of Ixtlahuacán de los Membrillos.")
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Skyrocket Galaxy
- Comment: The nomination is specific for May 4.
Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 45 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.(CC) Tbhotch™ 07:03, 18 April 2024 (UTC).
Matthew Charles Johnson
- ... that Matthew Charles Johnson killed Victoria's most high-profile prisoner, Carl Williams, while in the state's highest security prison unit? Source: paras 3, 249 - [14] and para 1 - [15]
- ALT1: ... that during the "trial from hell" Matthew Charles Johnson and his co-accused hurled abuse at the judge and even threw human faeces at a member of the jury? Source: https://www.theage.com.au/national/inside-the-trial-from-hell-20021214-gduxig.html
- Reviewed:
Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has less than 5 past nominations.
Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page.GMH Melbourne (talk) 05:04, 18 April 2024 (UTC).
- You need to remedy that {{no lead}} tag before this can go anywhere.--Launchballer 05:12, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Launchballer: I completely forgot about that, I'll get on to it now. GMH Melbourne (talk) 05:19, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Launchballer: Done GMH Melbourne (talk) 06:41, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
- Comment: Matthew Charles Johnson's middle name can be removed from the hooks if need be. GMH Melbourne (talk) 05:19, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
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