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This page should be restored because deleting it impedes people's ability to identify sockpuppets of WDHB, and the WMF privacy policy says
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The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it. |
My redraft of the ‘Kabir Helminski’ article was deleted by JJMC89 for copyright infringement on 16 November. Here are the details of the deletion: 03:07, 16 November 2019 JJMC89 talk contribs deleted page Draft:Kabir Helminski (G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement of https://sufism.org/threshold/kabir-camille/kabir-and-camille-helminski-threshold-society-founders-2 I asked JJMC89 if I could be given access to the article once more, explaining that in fact there was no copyright infringement. On 28 November I wrote the following message to JJMC89 to explain: I see the source of confusion now! Kabir Helminski (with whom I have declared connection) has actually posted my entire draft article on his own website (I shared it with him). He credited is as coming from Wikipedia but did not realise that it is only a draft and therefore likely to be viewed as infringing his own copyright! If I ask him to take it down, can my article be re-considered?(Danthedervish (talk) 11:22, 28 November 2019 (UTC)) Kabir Helminski immediately did as I asked and deleted from his own website (www.sufism.org) the text I had created on Wikipedia. However, JJMC89 would not consider my case. Here is JJMC89’s response: It was a mistake to undelete it the first time. I have no intention of further helping you. — JJMC89 23:37, 21 December 2019 (UTC) The first time JJMC89 is referring to is when the article was deleted for being considered un-noteworthy and lacking independent citations. I believe the revised article successfully resolved these issues but it was never given an opportunity to be assessed on that basis. I therefore ask that it be given one. Please note that Kabir Helminski’s books have been published into 11 different languages by reputable publishing houses, and he has been cited as one of the 500 most influential Muslims in the world. One of his books (Living Presence) has become a ‘cornerstone edition’ at Tarcher (an imprint of Penguin Random House) and was recently re-published as a 25th anniversary edition. Needless to say, Kabir Helminski is willing to verify that I have not infringed his copyright. Danthedervish (talk) 10:34, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Marcia Hermansen, 'Hybrid Identity Formations in Muslim America: The Case of American Sufi Movements', The Muslim World, Volume 90, Spring, 2000 "Kabir Helminski is a teacher in the Mevlevi Order who studied with Samuel Lewis, Ram Das, Reshad Feild, Tosun Bayrak, and Murat Yagan, among others. Kabir and his wife Camille have received recognition as teachers of the Mevlevi way from Jelaluddin Celebi, the leader of the Mevlevi Order in Turkey. A small Sufi circle has met in Vermont for the past twenty years. Since the publication of Kabir’s book, world-wide demand for spiritual instruction has led him to design a 99-day correspondence course, which is currently being followed by several hundred persons." Mark Sedgwick, ‘Eclectic Sufism in the Contemporary Arab World', Tidsskrift for Islamforskning 11 (1), 2017, p.65-82 "The second stream in Western Sufism is represented by the two Helminskis, who run the Threshold Society, an American Mevlevi tarīqa with branches in the United Kingdom that (like all Mevlevis) draws on Rumi (Pittman 2012, 210). Algan, a Turk, is associated with the Threshold Society. The Threshold Society originated during the later “new age” period and favors liberal interpretations of Islam; not all of its members self-identify as Muslim. Kabir Helminski, like Shah, has a background in the Gurdjieff movement (Dickson 2015, 104). The Threshold Society draws on the Mevlevi tradition as taught in contemporary Turkey as well as on Western sources, and is thus also eclectic." Kathleen M. Moore, ‘Muslims in the United States: Pluralism under Exceptional Circumstances’, The Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science 2007; 612; p. 116 "For example, Sufi Shaykh Kabir Helminski of the Mevlevi Order of Muslims has written that God has not granted a spiritual monopoly to any one religion, and that the Qur’an in fact encourages competition among people of faith to promote virtue and cooperation. Islam is uniquely situated to reconcile the various religions because it is inherently tolerant and respectful of all faiths. This type of religious pluralism prohibits the humanist rejection of the signs of God and encourages prosperity in spiritual terms within the context of American pluralism (see J. I. Smith 2006, 170)." If further evidence is required to show that there was no copyright infringement, can somebody tell me what kind of evidence would be considered acceptable? Who would Kabir Helminski need to contact to confirm I did not breach his copyright, and how would he verify his identity if he did so? Many thanks for your help! Danthedervish (talk) 13:13, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
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